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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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 Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: Muslims burn 700.000 volumes of history and learning... |
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never mind the satanic verses, using the dead sea scrolls as kindling before they were partially rescued..or even the destruction of old manuscripts stored in the churches and monastries of Cyprus by turks....
It is said the muslim destruction of the library at Alexandria put human development back at least 1000 years.
The Moslems invaded Egypt during the seventh century as their fanaticism carried them on conquests that would take form an empire stretching from Spain to India. However, when a Christian called John informed the local Arab general that there existed in Alexandria a great Library preserving all the knowledge in the world he was perturbed. Eventually he sent word to Damascus where Caliph Omar ordered that all the books in the library should be destroyed because, as he said "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." Therefore, the books and scrolls were taken out of the library and distributed as fuel to the many bathhouses of the city. So enormous was the volume of literature that it took six months for it all to be burnt to ashes heating the saunas of the conquerors.
they did burn all the books |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: Re: Muslims burn 700.000 volumes of history and learning... |
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Except for the one I forgot to return. Man, the late fee is gonna be a bitch. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Ummm...nope. It was destroyed by greedy, ignorant Christians in 391 A.D.:
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At that time the archiepiscopal throne of Alexandria was filled by Theophilus, the perpetual enemy of peace and virtue; a bold, bad man, whose hands were alternately polluted with gold and with blood. His pious indignation was excited by the honours of Serapis; and the insults which he offered to an ancient chapel of Bacchus convinced the Pagans that he meditated a more important and dangerous enterprise. In the tumultuous capital of Egypt, the slightest provocation was sufficient to inflame a civil war.
The votaries of Serapis, whose strength and numbers were much inferior to those of their antagonists, rose in arms at the instigation of the philosopher Olympius, who exhorted them to die in the defence of the altars of the gods.
These Pagan fanatics fortified themselves in the temple, or rather fortress, of Serapis; repelled the besiegers by daring sallies and a resolute defence; and, by the inhuman cruelties which they exercised on their Christian prisoners, obtained the last consolation of despair. The efforts of the prudent magistrate were usefully exerted for the establishment of a truce till the answer of Theodosius should determine the fate of Serapis.
The two parties assembled without arms, in the principal square; and the Imperial rescript was publicly read. But when a sentence of destruction against the idols of Alexandria was pronounced, the Christians sent up a shout of joy and exultation, whilst the unfortunate Pagans, whose fury had given way to consternation, retired with hasty and silent steps, and eluded, by their flight or obscurity, the resentment of their enemies.
Theophilus proceeded to demolish the temple of Serapis, without any other difficulties than those which he found in the weight and solidity of the materials, but these obstacles proved so insuperable that he was obliged to leave the foundations, and to content himself with reducing the edifice itself to a heap of rubbish, a part of which was soon afterwards cleared away, to make room for a church erected in honour of the Christian martyrs.
The valuable library of Alexandria was pillaged or destroyed; and near twenty years afterwards, the appearance of the empty shelves excited the regret and indignation of every spectator whose mind was not totally darkened by religious prejudice. The compositions of ancient genius, so many of which have irretrievably perished, might surely have been excepted from the wreck of idolatry, for the amusement and instruction of succeeding ages; and either the zeal or the avarice of the archbishop might have been satiated with the rich spoils which were the reward of his victory. |
(Edward Gibbon, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Volume 1, Chapter 28, para. 7 see link) |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, that was terrible, and there is also that little matter of the Fourth Crusade burning Constantinople and countless ancient manuscripts with it - but then history doesn't really matter to you does it? Just carry on with the hate campaign. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: |
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The library was accidentaly burned by julius caesar. then part of it by your aforementioned invasion. But the vast majority was burned by the muslim invasion.
Muslims burn 20.000 mandean books dating back to 270AD.
http://www.thetearsofthings.net/archives/000082.html
The Mand�ans have a vast literature in Aramaic, written in Mand�ic script. Much of this literature is very ancient. The man usually thought to be the most ancient Mand�an scribe, Zazai of Gawazta, is datable to around the year AD 270. Recent research in the colophons of Mand�an manuscripts dates a woman scribe, Slama daughter of Qidra, to approximately AD 200. The Mand�an Holy Book, the GINZA (Treasury), contains the teachings of John the Baptist. For two millenia, the Ginza has been transcribed by Mand�an priests, always in the same format. The Ginza is separated into a right and left part, Ginza Right and Ginza Left, and the two parts are organized in such a way that on reaching the end of Right Ginza, a reader must turn the volume upside down to read Ginza Left. The two parts face each other in the manner of two inscribed bowls enclosing the text within.
Now this:
Most Mand�an manuscripts remain in Mand�an hands in Iraq and Iran. These include many works unknown in the West. Three days ago a heartbroken Mand�an priest was telling me how his beloved library of 20,000 books, including 40 esoteric Mand�an manuscripts with wonderful Mand�an artwork, had been destroyed by Shi'ite Muslims.
Muslims destroy cyprus cultural heritage.
http://www.kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/epiktitos/cultural.htm |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Prove it. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
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disprove it. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| yah....disprove it..... |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I'm not asserting the Library of Alexandria was burned by Moslems. You are.
So prove it. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Ancient and modern sources identify four possible occasions for the destruction of the Library:
1. Caesar's campaign in 48 BC
2. the attack of Aurelian in the 3rd century AD
3. the decree of Theophilius in 391 AD, and
4. the Muslim conquest in 642 AD or thereafter.
Each of these has been viewed with suspicion by other scholars as an effort to place the blame on particular actors. Moreover, each of these events is historically problematic. In the first and second case, there is clear evidence that the library was not in fact destroyed at those times. The third episode is often regarded as a myth, and the fourth episode is simply not documented, although some maintain that the final destruction of the Library took place at this time[6]. |
Wikipedia
ehitstory
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| The second story of the Library's destruction is more popular, thanks primarily to Edward Gibbon's "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". But the story is also a tad more complex. Theophilus was Patriarch of Alexandria from 385 to 412 AD. During his reign the Temple of Serapis was converted into a Christian Church (probably around 391 AD) and it is likely that many documents were destroyed then. The Temple of Serapis was estimated to hold about ten percent of the overall Library of Alexandria's holdings. After his death, his nephew Cyril became Patriarch. Shortly after that, riots broke out when Hierax, a Christian monk, was publicly killed by order of Orestes the city Prefect. Orestes was said to be under the influence of Hypatia, a female philosopher and daughter of the "last member of the Library of Alexandria". Although it should be noted that some count Hypatia herself as the last Head Librarian. |
San Jose State University
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arly in the year A. D. 642, Alexandria surrendered to Amrou, the Islamic general leading the armies of Omar, Caliph of Baghdad. Long one of the most important cities of the ancient world and capital of Byzantine Egypt, Alexandria surrendered only after a long siege and attempts to rescue the city by the Byzantines. On the orders of Omar, Caliph of Baghdad, the entire collection of books (except for the works of Aristotle) stored at the Library of Alexandria were removed and used as fuel to heat water for the city's public baths.
This is not the first time the library was damaged or destroyed. Originally built to house the massive collection of books accumulated by the Ptolemaic rulers of Egypt, the library had been devastated by fire several times. During Julius Caesar's Alexandrian campaign in 47 B. C., Caesar set fire to ships in the port. The fire spread to the library, which was called the Museum at that time.
In A. D. 391, riots instigated by fanatical Christians damaged the collection heavily. During the years between disastrous events, the library collection had been gradually restored. In 641, the Caliph of Baghdad exhibited the same spirit of religious fanaticism in ordering Amrou to burn the books stored there. The loss of the library at Alexandria was a particularly grievous blow because the works of so many Roman scholars. literary geniuses, and historians were destroyed. |
Lesson? Religious fanatics suck big time.
So muslims burned shit down, so did xtians. Joy to the world.
Nice try to imply muslims are wack-jobs and more inhumane than anyone else.
Remember: even hitler was human.
PS, why don't you come up with a legitmate, scholarly source that says Muslims burned down the majority of the library. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Wasn't it a Christian who invented the television ? Middle American farmer at that....
DD |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Sigh. I acknowledge that the Turkish presence in Northern Cyprus has included destruction of Christian sites. It has also included efforts at restoration and preservation of many of them.
Putting up a link to a one-sided portrayal of the situation, one that does not acknowledge Greek Cypriot abuses of their Turkish neighbors for 10 years (1964-1974) leading up to the coup attempt, which came with a threat to exterminate the Turks on the island and led to its partition, is fundamentally dishonest, Junior.
The Cyprus situation is complex and both sides are at fault for the continuation of the partition over these 30 years. Shrill diatribes from either side will bring us no closer to a solution. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| PS, why don't you come up with a legitmate, scholarly source that says Muslims burned down the majority of the library. |
Considering that the Library's collection had been restored after Caesar's and the christian damage, The final burning by muslims represents destroying "all of it".
Look at it this way. You have an antique porcelain dish. Someone chips off a piece accidentally. You stick it back on. Someone cracks a part of it, you glue it back. Then a third person deliberately throws it at the wall before grinding all the pieces into dust and throwing it on the wind. Who is to blame for its demise? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
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| PS, why don't you come up with a legitmate, scholarly source that says Muslims burned down the majority of the library. |
Considering that the Library's collection had been restored after Caesar's and the christian damage, The final burning by muslims represents destroying "all of it".
Look at it this way. You have an antique porcelain dish. Someone chips off a piece accidentally. You stick it back on. Someone cracks a part of it, you glue it back. Then a third person deliberately throws it at the wall before grinding all the pieces into dust and throwing it on the wind. Who is to blame for its demise? |
Don't Jews purposely smash things when they get married? What's up with that? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
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| PS, why don't you come up with a legitmate, scholarly source that says Muslims burned down the majority of the library. |
Considering that the Library's collection had been restored after Caesar's and the christian damage, The final burning by muslims represents destroying "all of it".
Look at it this way. You have an antique porcelain dish. Someone chips off a piece accidentally. You stick it back on. Someone cracks a part of it, you glue it back. Then a third person deliberately throws it at the wall before grinding all the pieces into dust and throwing it on the wind. Who is to blame for its demise? |
Don't Jews purposely smash things when they get married? What's up with that? |
and junior dude, thanks for that brilliant analogy. now where the f is that source?
Yeah, that's what I thought.  |
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