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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: am I ripping people off? Reply with quote

Hi, all-

I'm a PhD student in the U.S. now, and I do research on East Asia and education. In the area where I live there are always Koreans looking for tutoring/conversation practice for themselves, and/or tutoring/homework help for their children. Last year I tutored sisters in junior high and high school in a nearby suburb, between 3-5 hours a week depending on how busy we all were. I had to drive about 20 minutes each way, and started out charging $20US an hour, but they raised my pay to $25/hr to cover gas (and I guess because they liked me, since I never asked for this raise). Later in the year I started conversation practice with business English students through a university program, and was paid $15 to do nothing but chat. Really easy money.

Now I tutor one MBA student I met through one of the business English students, and charge $15/hr, since I don't have to prepare anything. I also tutor his wife, and since I drive about 20 minutes to their house charge $20/hr when I teach her. Now I am starting to tutor some Korean elementary school kids one on one, and since it'll mostly be homework help and work from a textbook I select, shouldn't be too hard. I've asked for $20/hr (I have to drive to this place, too, but it's only about a 5 minute drive). They seem fine paying that much, twice a week, and I know people pay up to 50,000 won an hour in Korea, but....

Am I charging too much (in US terms)? I do have a lot of tutoring and teaching experience and consider myself a good and patient teacher, but don't have any TESL certificate or anything. I can speak enough Korean to put the families at ease, and they seem to like that, too. And since I'm surviving on a graduate stipend now, the money helps. But does it seem reasonable?

Some of the parents I talked to in Korea REALLY paid too much for education...
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UP TO 50,000?

50,000 is the minimum.
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope....take the money and smile. If you have en ethical problem ( Rolling Eyes ) taking the money, then send it to me... Wink
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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50,000 is the minimum


Nonsense.


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Intrepid



Joined: 13 May 2004
Location: Yongin

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: No rip off... Reply with quote

You are not ripping them off, far from it. Qualified tutors in the US also make good money. I had a similar problem when I moved from Korea to the US and was swamped with Korean kids in my (US) neighborhood. I asked my aunt, who taught first grade for many years, how much she charges for one-on-one reading tutoring: $75/hour. I just kept my Korea-side rate in the US.
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're feeling guilty, just make sure that your work is comparable to the price you're getting. Do your best and hopefully that will make you feel better.
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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50,000 is the minimum


Nonsense.


It is for me!
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horangi Munshin wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:


50,000 is the minimum


Nonsense.


It is for me!


I am sorry, but I think 50,000 won an hour is just greedy.
Unless you have excellent teaching credentials, references and tons of experience I think 25,000 -30,000 is plenty.

OP, for general English I think what you are charging is fine. But, Business English such as you are doing with the MBA student falls into the category of specialist or English for Specific Purposes, so you should be charging your MBA student a little more.

ilovebdt
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Yesanman



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: Chungnam

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sure hope 50,000 is the minimum in Seoul nowadays.
I was making 40,000 nine years ago when I arrived in Korea.
Don't do privates any more but assume the rate must have gone up.
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

50 min in Korea. The guy said he was in the US. I wonder where they will find another white guy to tutor them in the US?

Supply and demand.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wouldn't hurt to up the ante. Depends on how often you see the students. My last hagwon in Daegu charged 80,000 per month for classroom instruction w/ a native in a class of around max. 15 students. Go on up from there depending on the school and location.

Also, recruiters offering private work here pay teachers here anywhere from say 25-40,000 per hour, maybe more. These are usually small group company employees seeking extra help.

Native teachers who do it on their own will charger obviously more, depending on who, where, and how many they teach at one time. In Seoul, it's not uncommon to be offered more than 50,000 per hour for a private.

Hours of instruction vary from student to student.

You're probably getting shafted but look at the freedom you have and then take into consideration the socio-economic positions of the students you teach. Are they company employees, school students, housewives etc? I, personally, would charge properly depending on each case.
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ilovebdt wrote:
Horangi Munshin wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:


50,000 is the minimum


Nonsense.


It is for me!


I am sorry, but I think 50,000 won an hour is just greedy.
Unless you have excellent teaching credentials, references and tons of experience I think 25,000 -30,000 is plenty.

OP, for general English I think what you are charging is fine. But, Business English such as you are doing with the MBA student falls into the category of specialist or English for Specific Purposes, so you should be charging your MBA student a little more.

ilovebdt


It might seem steep but I can do overtime classes of 40 minutes and get 25000. With overtime classes there is no travel involved, usually little prep because I have stuff from other classes and a class usually has many students. Would you accept 25000-30000 for a one hour lesson with prep on top of that, and lets's say 30 minutes travel each way. I definitely wouldn't!!!
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horangi Munshin wrote:

It might seem steep but I can do overtime classes of 40 minutes and get 25000. With overtime classes there is no travel involved, usually little prep because I have stuff from other classes and a class usually has many students. Would you accept 25000-30000 for a one hour lesson with prep on top of that, and lets's say 30 minutes travel each way. I definitely wouldn't!!!


I must agree here.

for 1 hour of teaching I assume 1 hour of prep and other stuff.

so technically I get 50k for 2 hours... Which isn't that steep at all considering
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it comes to non-essential services, whatever the market will bear seems ethical. If you can get more, then charge more.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minimum is about 30,000 won an hour.....with no travel(feel free to charge less) Laughing

50,000 won if there is more than one student and then I would adjust if there was any travel time/expense involved.
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