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Hollywoodaction
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Hmm.. why is the representative for North Korea in the picture wearing a suit and tie-- shouldn't he be wearing a hanbok instead of those accursed fashions of the decadent western running dogs?
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Actually, there is little left of traditional culture in North Korea. Everything is a bad copy of Russian culture. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, there is little left of traditional culture in North Korea. Everything is a bad copy of Russian culture. |
Could you give us some examples of North Korea copying Russian culture? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Every society has a bunch of idiots who, through stupidity and a totally misreading of the facts, blow up little things into big things. Americans think Bush blew up the WTC. Canadian patriots don't know a simple fact of Canadian history.
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Don't forget the Stalin dimes?
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One of the most embarrassing eras in U.S. history was during the time of Senator Joseph McCarthy and the �Red Scare.� Once again, the Roosevelt dime was a target. It seems Senator McCarthy and his anticommunist crusade was aimed, in part, at President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and a number of his former cabinet members and aides. Unfounded and malicious rumors were spread. When President Roosevelt died, Stalin permitted the President�s picture and the story of his death to appear on the front page of the Russian newspapers. This was space reserved only for national stories about Russia itself; therefore, Roosevelt must have been in Stalin�s pocket. Besides, what are those initials, �JS,� at the truncation of Roosevelt�s neck on the dime? It must stand for Joseph Stalin. Finally, the U.S. Mint issued a press release stating the initials were those of the designer, John Sinnock. The rumors were squelched, and the McCarthy extremists were forced to peruse other avenues of attack.
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, there is little left of traditional culture in North Korea. Everything is a bad copy of Russian culture. |
Could you give us some examples of North Korea copying Russian culture? |
Off the top of my head: their propagandist artwork, their music, their architecture, their statues, their ideology (their cult of personality, their 5-7 year plans, etc).
North Koreans have to wait until they go to university before they can earn the privilege to read the approved Korean literary classics. Before then, they study the works of their leader. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Off the top of my head: their propagandist artwork, their music, their architecture, their statues, their ideology (their cult of personality, their 5-7 year plans, etc).
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I see what you mean. I think it was your use of the term "Russian culture" that threw me. I'm not sure if I'd call the propaganda and the personality cult aspects of Russian culture, so much as aspects of Soviet, or more precisely Stalinist, culture.
Plus, the hereditary leadership, the worship of the holy family, and the supposedly supernatural qualities of the Leader(born on Mount Baek-tu, has control over nature etc), were not aspects of the Stalinist cult, as far as I know. That stuff would seem to be more a mixture of Confucianism and folk religion.
And the "one blood" thing they're so hepped up about is pure 19th- Century European pseudo-science, which as far as I know was completely rejected in Communist Russia. |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| These so called patriots didn't know a simple fact about Canadian history. |
In the same sort of vein, I've always found it amusing that most Canadians probably know more about the US justice system than their own due to a heavy diet of Law & Order and all the other legal shows that make their way north.
I know that at some point a Canadian had to have tried to plead the fifth, it just had to have happened at some time in history. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| I know that at some point a Canadian had to have tried to plead the fifth, it just had to have happened at some time in history. |
Well, his lawyer would probably have given him the lowdown before it ever got before a judge.
But yeah. You do sometimes hear Canadians using ideas and terminology that aren't really applicable outside of the American system. For example, Canadians criticizing the American Religious Right will sometimes say "In Canada, we have separation of church and state", thinking that SOCAS means something like "politicans who don't base their platform on religious opinions". When in fact, according to the way the term is understood in the country that invented the concept, Canada has far less SOCAS than does the USA, given that at least two provinces have publically-funded sectarian school boards. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: |
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press release stating the initials were those of the designer, John Sinnock. The rumors were squelched, and the McCarthy extremists were forced to peruse other avenues of attack.
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Hmmmm...the leader of a major ally dies during the biggest war of all time and it makes the front page news. Yep, clearly evidence of commie subversion.
It must be exhausting being a right winger, having to use that much imagination to make sense of the world. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Off the top of my head: their propagandist artwork, their music, their architecture, their statues, their ideology (their cult of personality, their 5-7 year plans, etc).
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I see what you mean. I think it was your use of the term "Russian culture" that threw me. I'm not sure if I'd call the propaganda and the personality cult aspects of Russian culture, so much as aspects of Soviet, or more precisely Stalinist, culture.
Plus, the hereditary leadership, the worship of the holy family, and the supposedly supernatural qualities of the Leader(born on Mount Baek-tu, has control over nature etc), were not aspects of the Stalinist cult, as far as I know. That stuff would seem to be more a mixture of Confucianism and folk religion.
And the "one blood" thing they're so hepped up about is pure 19th- Century European pseudo-science, which as far as I know was completely rejected in Communist Russia. |
Of course, by 'traditional culture', I meant traditinal arts and literature. Sorry about the confusion. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I know that at some point a Canadian had to have tried to plead the fifth, it just had to have happened at some time in history. |
Well, his lawyer would probably have given him the lowdown before it ever got before a judge.
But yeah. You do sometimes hear Canadians using ideas and terminology that aren't really applicable outside of the American system. For example, Canadians criticizing the American Religious Right will sometimes say "In Canada, we have separation of church and state", thinking that SOCAS means something like "politicans who don't base their platform on religious opinions". When in fact, according to the way the term is understood in the country that invented the concept, Canada has far less SOCAS than does the USA, given that at least two provinces have publically-funded sectarian school boards. |
Yes...up to a point. Remember the stink that caused when a PM asked to remove the references to God in the preample of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?
By the way, "Canadian patriots" is a term generally reserved for those who revolted against British colonialism during the Canadian Rebellion of 1837-1838. It's ultimate goal was the creation of a republic modeled on the US. The patriots lost the war, but it eventually lead to the creation of the Dominion of Canada in 1867. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| And wouldn't that analogy make North Korea into Canada? .... whiny and spineless from an American perspective |
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grainger
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Location: Wonju, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| And wouldn't that analogy make North Korea into Canada? .... whiny and spineless from an American perspective |
Troll |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| And wouldn't that analogy make North Korea into Canada? .... whiny and spineless from an American perspective |
Troll |
That I am certainly not.
Most people around here know I'm Canadian. The self-deprecating humour should have had a 
I have no interest whatsoever in the heated side debates that litter this forum these days. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| grainger wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
| And wouldn't that analogy make North Korea into Canada? .... whiny and spineless from an American perspective |
Troll |
That I am certainly not.
Most people around here know I'm Canadian. The self-deprecating humour should have had a
I have no interest whatsoever in the heated side debates that litter this forum these days. |
Someone who joined Dave's like 3 days ago decided you're a troll 
VanIslander: trolling undetected for 3 solid years! |
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grainger
Joined: 21 Sep 2006
Location: Wonju, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| grainger wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
| And wouldn't that analogy make North Korea into Canada? .... whiny and spineless from an American perspective |
Troll |
That I am certainly not.
Most people around here know I'm Canadian. The self-deprecating humour should have had a
I have no interest whatsoever in the heated side debates that litter this forum these days. |
Forgive me then, I (newbie that I am) mistook your tongue in cheek statement for trolling. Don't forget those
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