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thepeel
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 Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:40 am Post subject: |
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I am not suprised that is a fellow Albertan who makes such sensible statments.
(Who are you supporting to be the Albertan leader now that King Ralph is gone?) |
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nasigoreng
Joined: 14 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah... but then why can't the left ignore irrational christians too? |
That's why we bring it up in the first place. I refuse to accept Islamic fundamentalism, but ALSO Christian fundamentalism.
I find it alarming that we can denounce acts of violence done in one faith and not another without a moment's hesitation.
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Because only one of them is trying to destroy our way of life.
And there are much fewer cases of Christian terrrorism: say 30 murders in 30 years vs. 50 women killed by bomb in Iraq in one day. I find it alarming that you would try equiponderate the two.
example post: Look at muslim violence
example reply: Christianity has done worse
example post2: The koran says kill or convert the infidel until Islam is supreme.
example reply: Christianity was just as bad.
hypothetical post 1: Muslim fanatics detonate nuclear bomb, hundreds of thousands dead/dying.
hypothetical reply: Christianity would have done the same if they had nuclear bombs 500 year ago.
can we just focus on what's happening in the world now?
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The problem is that we can't possibly hope to reasonably singularly point out the moral failings of Islam without recognising the moral failures of Christianity. |
Only if one is arguing for the superiority of Christianity over another religion, and that is a waste of time because the religious experience is subjective. But when it comes to comparing current trends of violence, the numbers speak for themselves.
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Still waiting for a proposed action that us infidels should take.
I don't mean to sound passive, but what can one do other than be aware and viligent? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Because only one of them is trying to destroy our way of life.
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I disagree with this.
It seems to me that fundamentalist Christians are trying extremely hard to impose their world view on us. While I agree with you that I have absolutely no interest in living under Shaaria law, I have the same level of disinterest in living under the Code of Deuteronomy as interpreted by current Christian fundamentalists. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Moral Equivalancy Run Amok....... |
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It seems like this forum is filled with desperate attempts to somehow make Christianity the equal of Islam, in terms of its ability to generate fanaticism
hate
and...(reality check)
suicide bombings????
Playing the moral equivalancy game only will get you to about the year 1400....give or take a century...
Meanwhile, the rest of us are living in 2006......where
tens of millions of Muslims (yes I know they are a MINORITY OF MUSLIMS)......feel that the ENTIRE PLANET should be Muslim and support ANY AND ALL MEANS to bring about such a historical conclusion.
And frankly typing, that is tens of millions of people TOO MANY for me to deal with.
I wonder how you apologists feel we should deal with these folks........and furthemore how would you have reacted had this year been 1489?
Would you have supported the (minority led) Inquisition....or fought it with every cell of your being for religious and political freedom.
Seems to me that those brave enough to fight Islamic Facism today are the same type that would have stood up to Christian Facism in the past.....
just a thought... |
This is bullshit. You are pulling a Dumbya: if you don't want war, you support terror. Again, bullshit. The issue is not containing extremism, it's about HOW. Including Christian fundies, like Dumbya.
EDIT: I refer you to this very excellent post: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=67334 |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Because only one of them is trying to destroy our way of life.
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I disagree with this.
It seems to me that fundamentalist Christians are trying extremely hard to impose their world view on us. While I agree with you that I have absolutely no interest in living under Shaaria law, I have the same level of disinterest in living under the Code of Deuteronomy as interpreted by current Christian fundamentalists. |
There are "Christian fundamentalists" who are trying to forcefully make us submit to the "Code of Deuteronomy?" Interesting. |
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nasigoreng
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Because only one of them is trying to destroy our way of life.
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I disagree with this.
It seems to me that fundamentalist Christians are trying extremely hard to impose their world view on us. |
the difference is that Christians are operating within the law to change society. You and i may not agree with them, but they are operating within the law and using the democratic process.
Muslim fundamentalists on the other hand use fascism and terror to force their worldview on others. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: |
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There are "Christian fundamentalists" who are trying to forcefully make us submit to the "Code of Deuteronomy?" Interesting.
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Yes, interesting but depressing. You really should get out and read more.
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| Muslim fundamentalists on the other hand use fascism and terror to force their worldview on others. |
If you added "A handful of..." I would agree with you. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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I wonder how you apologists feel we should deal with these folks........and furthemore how would you have reacted had this year been 1489?
Would you have supported the (minority led) Inquisition....or fought it with every cell of your being for religious and political freedom.
Seems to me that those brave enough to fight Islamic Facism today are the same type that would have stood up to Christian Facism in the past.....
Not surprisingly, nobody on the Zombie side managed to respond to the questions I posed.
Isn't it fun living in the Padded Cells of the International ESL Ivory Tower?? Wee hee.... |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| Seems to me that those brave enough to fight Islamic Facism today are the same type that would have stood up to Christian Facism in the past..... |
The flaw I see in your analogy is that it 'seems to me that those brave enough to fight Islamic Fascism today are the same type that' want to impose their own brand of the 'f' word on us here in the West.
What you fail to see is that your position is at least as threatening to the traditions of the West as are the Moslem fanatics. Possibly more so. Ummm...no, let me amend that. Definitely more so. You were raised in the traditions of the West and have rejected the ideals of liberty and toleration. Your attitude is just too close for comfort to "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".
If we throw out our Englightenment ideals for 'the duration' they won't just come back the day after victory is declared. We will have to go through the whole struggle again, and maybe we won't win the next time.
For the 50 years of the Cold War we were able to continue to expand the concept of human liberty, even though there was an enemy who did pose a credible threat to our way of life. The Moslems do not present that kind of threat. No where near. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Isn't it fun living in the Padded Cells of the International ESL Ivory Tower?? Wee hee.... |
sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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heh. Look here for your answer. |
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sundubuman
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| the difference is that Christians are operating within the law to change society. You and i may not agree with them, but they are operating within the law and using the democratic process. |
Really? Is that what Bush, et. al., are doing? Working within the law?
Bullshit. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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What you fail to see is that your position is at least as threatening to the traditions of the West as are the Moslem fanatics. Possibly more so. Ummm...no, let me amend that. Definitely more so. You were raised in the traditions of the West and have rejected the ideals of liberty and toleration. Your attitude is just too close for comfort to "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".
If we throw out our Englightenment ideals for 'the duration' they won't just come back the day after victory is declared. We will have to go through the whole struggle again, and maybe we won't win the next time.
For the 50 years of the Cold War we were able to continue to expand the concept of human liberty, even though there was an enemy who did pose a credible threat to our way of life. The Moslems do not present that kind of threat. No where near. |
Thanks Ya ta , for spelling that out, in a direct and forthright manner -- given that some here, don't have the software necessary for my own, more symbolically laden and 'thought' filled language.
Precisely my position and it is with it/this in mind, that I condemn the latest Bush team dismantling of America -- giving Bush control to define "torture" and who can go to a judge, when. The latest Bush team success at giving the administration 90 days to evade whoever's privacy they wish, whenever, however.
Civility and by extension Civilization, is being thrown out the window in our neck of the woods. I don't condone and get angry at the violence, the mayhem, the stupidity, the human rights violations, the "un freedoms" at the other end --- yes, but I certainly am more upset at seeing my own home become filled with the dust of history's own , already found evil.....
DD |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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There are "Christian fundamentalists" who are trying to forcefully make us submit to the "Code of Deuteronomy?" Interesting.
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Yes, interesting but depressing. You really should get out and read more.
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How about you help us out and provide a link where we can read more about this group. |
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