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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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and what then dear Dogfart is Saudi Arabia to you???
Shades of exactly what era in Arab facism?
remind me...
you are Canadaian right? please tell me yes........please.... |
What's the difference? Aren't all goyim the same to you?
The point is, you are praising Switzerland for keeping out Muslim immigrants now, when the Swiss are only continuing their policy of keeping out Semitic undesirables, such as perhaps your poor grandparents back in the day.
I'm just saying you wouldn't have been shooting your mouth off lauding the Swiss if you'd been alive then. A point which escapes you, because you are an idiot. |
I'm not sure, but for some reason I think Dogbert is German-American, or at least an American who can speak German well. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Europe resolves to shore up defences
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The EU, he said, must not compromise its values of individual liberty, which set it apart from the values of the terrorist; it must also take care not to imply that Islam contains inherent dangers.
(Terrorists) were, he said, subverting a religion - Islam - whose name stands for peace.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4800223.stm
When they realise islam actually means 'submit" and the religion is programmed to kill all infidels, then they might be ajudged to have woken up.
even halting Muslim immigration now would have no effect, as the ones they've already let in are breeding like flies. |
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nasigoreng
Joined: 14 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| Do you think Europe is starting to wake up? |
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[London]
Police to brief Muslims before terror raids
Abul Taher
POLICE have agreed to consult a panel of Muslim leaders before mounting counter-terrorist raids or arrests. Members of the panel will offer their assessment of whether information police have on a suspect is too flimsy and will also consider the consequences on community relations of a raid.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2372471,00.html
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Germany: Islamic Gangrene
What the Muslims really want.
To cries of "Allah Akbar" (God is Great), seven thousand people marched in step, men on the right, veiled women on the left. Within a few minutes thousands of red and green flags � the colors of Turkey and of Islam � were unfurled beneath the Rhenish sky. The Turkish national anthem took the place of Deutschland �ber Alles. What a shock for a disillusioned Germany, astonished that millions of second-generation Turks, raised on an integrationist diet, should be singing the praises of "Turkey, my dear fatherland" and of Necmettin Erbakan, a former prime minister of Turkey and generous patron of MG. Even if Mr. Erbakan takes care never to talk about the Islamicization of Germany, his supporters make no mystery of their goals. As MG points out in one of its bulletins, "the Community is a means to an end, and the end is an Islamic society."
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http://www.amren.com/9911issue/9911issue.html#article4
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Can the West defeat the Islamist threat? Here are ten reasons why not
David Selbourne
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-2349195,00.html |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
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and what then dear Dogfart is Saudi Arabia to you???
Shades of exactly what era in Arab facism?
remind me...
you are Canadaian right? please tell me yes........please.... |
What's the difference? Aren't all goyim the same to you?
The point is, you are praising Switzerland for keeping out Muslim immigrants now, when the Swiss are only continuing their policy of keeping out Semitic undesirables, such as perhaps your poor grandparents back in the day.
I'm just saying you wouldn't have been shooting your mouth off lauding the Swiss if you'd been alive then. A point which escapes you, because you are an idiot. |
I'm not sure, but for some reason I think Dogbert is German-American, or at least an American who can speak German well. |
And one doesn't need to speak German to know that what Dogbert is saying about Switzerland's poor record is true. They also made an absolute fortune out of the Jews. For example, they made it very difficult (often impossible) for individual Jews to reclaim money they'd deposited (in the hope of keeping it from the Nazi's) before the war, once the war finally ended. I lived in Switzerland for 18 months, and I can tell you, as a culture, they are not particularly welcoming to foreigners. Even other western Europeans are held in very poor esteem by many Swiss. I found it very interesting. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
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and what then dear Dogfart is Saudi Arabia to you???
Shades of exactly what era in Arab facism?
remind me...
you are Canadaian right? please tell me yes........please.... |
What's the difference? Aren't all goyim the same to you?
The point is, you are praising Switzerland for keeping out Muslim immigrants now, when the Swiss are only continuing their policy of keeping out Semitic undesirables, such as perhaps your poor grandparents back in the day.
I'm just saying you wouldn't have been shooting your mouth off lauding the Swiss if you'd been alive then. A point which escapes you, because you are an idiot. |
I'm not sure, but for some reason I think Dogbert is German-American, or at least an American who can speak German well. |
he's quite the linguist, and yes, he is American. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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The Swiss, instead of setting a humanitarian example, have decided to be a beacon of backwardness for the racists, bigots, and Islamophobes among us. More power to Switzerland!
Do you think Europe is starting to wake up? First the Swedish election, and now the referendum in Switzerland� |
I am Swiss, visit there yearly and have friends and family there....
Switzerland isn't so simple to label but I will try, regarding the immigration issue. As with the thousands of Bosnians and Croats they took in during the Balkan war, it isn't clear or simple, their intentions.
If you go to Switzerland you will find a very multicultural society on the surface. Lots of ethnic restaurants, lots of colourful faces in the crowd. But , all in the city. But, all basically endentured labour with little chance of gaining Swiss citizenship or living as a "Swiss" person.
This is the rub. The vote is basically done by those who have generally been very conservative and protective of their "nationhood" -- read, racial heritage.
So on one hand, the Swiss welcome many from all over the world. On the other hand, they are very insular and in my opinion, quite conservative and racist. (mountain people). I think the latter is the reality and politics flows from this.
I remember fondly for years waking up when visiting my grandparents in Evian, across the lake from Switzerland. Every morning I'd go out to the balcony and enjoy my coffee, looking out across the lake at Lausanne, Switzerland. Watching the tourist boats dock and just adoring the view. Every morning, my grandmother (now 93+), tiny and energetic would come over, pat me on the back and say "Isn't Switzerland beautiful?. " She would then pause and then in a high voice say, "but only to look at! Not to live there!!!". Every morning she'd say this, in her senile but sincere way........Needless to say, she loved France with all her heart and was proud of never returning to Switzerland after being thrown out of her little (Presbyterian) village for daring to love a man.
Switzerland is not waking up. Still asleep in my opinion.
DD
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Germany: Islamic Gangrene
What the Muslims really want.
To cries of "Allah Akbar" (God is Great), seven thousand people marched in step, men on the right, veiled women on the left. Within a few minutes thousands of red and green flags � the colors of Turkey and of Islam � were unfurled beneath the Rhenish sky. The Turkish national anthem took the place of Deutschland �ber Alles. What a shock for a disillusioned Germany, astonished that millions of second-generation Turks, raised on an integrationist diet, should be singing the praises of "Turkey, my dear fatherland" and of Necmettin Erbakan, a former prime minister of Turkey and generous patron of MG. Even if Mr. Erbakan takes care never to talk about the Islamicization of Germany, his supporters make no mystery of their goals. As MG points out in one of its bulletins, "the Community is a means to an end, and the end is an Islamic society." |
Throw in some rock and roll and beer and put this in a football stadium and you'd have the American version. ......... this ugliness goes on everywhere, just some people can't see the sky for the flags....to quote Basho - a Japanese poet " Look Japan here! Look China there! But the sky is everywhere!" |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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I remember fondly for years waking up when visiting my grandparents in Evian, across the lake from Switzerland. Every morning I'd go out to the balcony and enjoy my coffee, looking out across the lake at Lausanne, Switzerland. Watching the tourist boats dock and just adoring the view. Every morning, my grandmother (now 93+), tiny and energetic would come over, pat me on the back and say "Isn't Switzerland beautiful?. " She would then pause and then in a high voice say, "but only to look at! Not to live there!!!". Every morning she'd say this, in her senile but sincere way........Needless to say, she loved France with all her heart and was proud of never returning to Switzerland after being thrown out of her little (Presbyterian) village for daring to love a man.
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I agree with your grandmother about Switzerland being a beautiful place to visit but not to live in. I'd love to visit the place again, but I wouldn't live there a second time. You have to be old, rich and Swiss to really appreciate the lifestyle!
A lot of what you say is true. I think Junior and co have got the idea that Switzerland has been some kind of multicultural melting pot. Not at all. The Swiss don't mix with foreigners much. Traditionally, foreigners were brought in to do the crap jobs, not to become part of the community. And Swiss therefore associate 'foreign' with 'underclass.' The Swiss economy was built on the backs of foreign labourers, but there wasn't much acknowledgement of it.
I was always amused by some of their misconceptions. I remember once interviewing for a job as an jeune fille aupair. An aupair (at that time) was supposed to earn 450 francs a month plus board and lodgings in exchange for 30 hours a week of service in the household. This guy expected me to work from 8 in the morning until 8 at night, 6 days a week, and then tutor his daughter in English in my spare time. I would only be permitted to leave the house on Sundays! All for 500 francs a month. I looked at him shock. He then reminded me that I was very lucky to be in Switzerland.  And that was a typical attitude. As a foreigner, I was very lucky to be in Switzerland. People would make comments about how I'd come for the money.  Er sorry...450 francs a month? I'm from the UK not Ethiopia!! They couldn't understand that actually I'd taken an enormous dip in wages to live there, and that I was only there for the adventure and to learn the language. Of course, all foreigners were knocking on the door to earn those Swiss francs!
But of course I met many wonderful Swiss as well, just a shame that what I've just described above seemed to be a pervading attitude.
I used to look out at Evian from Lausanne BTW, but somehow never got around to visiting it. On 450 francs a month there was little chance of saving up for the ferry fare.  Beautiful place though, if I ever win the lottery I'll go an revisit. |
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nasigoreng
Joined: 14 May 2004
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Germany: Islamic Gangrene
What the Muslims really want.
To cries of "Allah Akbar" (God is Great), seven thousand people marched in step, men on the right, veiled women on the left. Within a few minutes thousands of red and green flags � the colors of Turkey and of Islam � were unfurled beneath the Rhenish sky. The Turkish national anthem took the place of Deutschland �ber Alles. What a shock for a disillusioned Germany, astonished that millions of second-generation Turks, raised on an integrationist diet, should be singing the praises of "Turkey, my dear fatherland" and of Necmettin Erbakan, a former prime minister of Turkey and generous patron of MG. Even if Mr. Erbakan takes care never to talk about the Islamicization of Germany, his supporters make no mystery of their goals. As MG points out in one of its bulletins, "the Community is a means to an end, and the end is an Islamic society."
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Throw in some rock and roll and beer and put this in a football stadium and you'd have the American version.
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I don't see the connection. Native Americans societies didn't offer superior economic opportunities and social benefits to entice European settlers to cross the Atlantic and become citizens of the tribe. Would native american groups welcome anyone lacking genuine patriotism into their tribe?
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......... this ugliness goes on everywhere, just some people can't see the sky for the flags....
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what's even uglier is seeing the sky of your home country filled with foreign flags, which was seen during illegal worker protests in the States recently. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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here's a good indicator:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/europe/2000/far_right/norway.stm
France
The shock result which saw veteran far-right politician Jean-Marie Le Pen beat incumbent socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin in the first round of the presidential election was described by Mr Jospin as "a political earthquake".
Mr Le Pen recorded 16.9% of the vote to enter a run-off with President Jacques Chirac. The result triggered a massive popular backlash on the streets of many cities. But analysts suggest that his tough views on crime and immigration have struck a chord with significant numbers of voters.
http://www.jtf.org/america/america.algeria.part.two.htm
Austria
The success of Austria뭩 far-right Freedom Party led by Joerg Haider stunned Europe two years ago. With anti-EU, anti-immigrant policies and its leader뭩 apparent nostalgia for the fascist era, the Freedom Party grew from the extreme fringes of Austrian politics into a powerful force.
The United Kingdom
Although kept out of representative politics by "first-past-the-post" elections, British ultranationalists have been gaining ground in certain deprived areas with high immigrant populations.
-British muslims
Netherlands
Anti-immigration party the Pim Fortuyn List is expected to achieve at least 16% of the vote in the May 2002 general election.
Its maverick leader Pim Fortuyn was assassinated in early May. |
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