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The tolerant, secular, liberal society into which British Muslims are being asked to integrate is still a work in progress

Gary Younge
Monday October 2, 2006
The Guardian

On Wednesday September 20 Corporal Donald Payne became the first Briton to admit to a war crime. Payne, 35, is accused of repeatedly banging the head of Baha Mousa, a 26-year-old Iraqi hotel worker, against a wall and floor until Mousa died - an accusation he denies. Payne called his Iraqi prisoners in the jail in Basra "the choir", because he liked to invite friends to hear them shriek with the pain he inflicted. "Corporal Payne enjoyed conducting what he called the choir," Julian Bevan QC told the court martial, which is taking place at Bulford Camp, in Wiltshire, and is expected to last for 16 weeks. "It was all done very openly."

The next day the home secretary, John Reid, went to Leyton, in east London, and told a room full of Muslims how to raise their kids so they won't grow up hateful. "Look for the telltale signs now and talk to them before their hatred grows and you risk losing them for ever," he told them.

The heckler in his midst simply provided Reid with proof of his moral righteousness. "This is Britain," Reid told the Labour party conference last week. "We will go where we please, we will discuss what we like, and we will never be browbeaten by bullies. That's what it means to be British."

Reid and Payne are two sides of the same coin. The bully of Basra exercises his right to demean and degrade wherever he pleases - the longstanding hallmarks of British colonialism. The hooligan from the Home Office vaunts the fair play, decency and social liberalism that ostensibly underpin core British values - a longstanding feature of Britain's self-delusion. Payne could have done with some parenting lessons of his own. Instead he was given a uniform and a gun. The arrogance we imbibe and the atrocities we export do not just coexist - they are codependent. That's also what it means to be British.

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cellphone · Joined: 18 Feb 2004

I thought that white people wasn't supposed to be a race nor a group.
You know in California when they always talk about racial rights they proclaim that whites are the only non-race and therefore don't have legal abilities to make any claims, and when a white person suffers anything he or she does so as a lone individual but gets no cultural recognition.

Except when it's time to "talk about the bad things white people do", then it appears all of a sudden they are a distinct group with traits, cultural and biological characteristics easily seperated from others.

Hank Scorpio · Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Ann Arbor, MI

I'm amused that you'd post an Al Guardian article as though it were an actual news source.

Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

Ilsanman · Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea

Is this a post about whites, or a post about supposed 'racism' muslims are receiving in Britain?

Cry me a river.

happeningthang · Joined: 26 Apr 2003

What amazes me is that you get some guy who tortures people, and his name is "Corporal Payne".

Too much like the cop convicted of beating Rodney King, "Officer Koon".

bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

you do realize arabs are considered white right?

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bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

edit:

straight from the horse's mouth:

State Report

Go to page 10 for the % breakdown.

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thepeel · Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Here is how these discussions go,

Someone points out that the way almost all muslims raise their kids leads to hate (Islam is the religious equivalent to white/black supremacist political ideas).

Idiots point out that some non-mussies do bad stuff too, suggesting that this excuses mussies for their crimes.

Initial point lost..

On a totally unrelated topic, today 4 mussies were charged with confining and gang raping a white woman in Ottawa.

Though, I suppose I should not mention the pattern of muslim gang rape, because there are isolated times when non-muslims gang rape too.

Also, three muslim sisters were shot dead in Norway. Guess who did it? If you used your skills of informed deduction, you would answer their brother, and you would be right.