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jvalmer
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 Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:04 am Post subject: Re: Americans in Canada |
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They are small enclaves of the left in a vast sea of more conservative people. Now that doesn't mean that they're inconsequential, but they're hardly "the real America". America is a fairly conservative nation, and always has been in some profound ways. |
The same can be said about Canada. Once you leave the cities, it's a different country. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, the Vietnam dodgers didn't leave Canada because they hated it. They had roots in the States and it was where they grew up. |
I think this goes ditto for most immigrants. This is the big myth of immigration, that somehow people want to make roots elsewhere (or too some extremists, take over that foreign land...). People are from somewhere and want to return after earning a decent wage or when the crisis is over or when they've met the one they love etc.....
I grew up in N. Ont. Hippie enclave full of draft dodgers. Peace , love and all that. Interesting childhood for me. Now that they are all in their late 50s , early 60s, about half have returned and about half have stayed in Canada. The didn't return for any reason other than , that was home, they missed their family and their parents were dying. They didn't stay for any other reason than, Canada was somewhere they found decency, good people and a nice life.
I grew up with an interesting example. One of the little rock 9, Minnie Jean Trickey. The first one thrown out of the school. She returned to the States basically because she had bills to pay and Clinton gave her the Medal of Honour and a position in govt. That after years as a single mother, also years without electricity and milking goats........But she returned for money I believe more than anything, and to get her message out which I believe she still is............I'm a better person for growing up with her warm smile....
Minnijean Brown Trickey -- old bio....
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| She was expelled from Central High in February, 1958, after several incidents, including her dumping a bowl of chili on one of her antagonists in the school cafeteria. She moved with her husband to Canada during the Vietnam War protests of the 1960s and today is a writer and social worker in Ontario. Winterstar Productions is presently filming a documentary on her life. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| I grew up in N. Ont. |
This explains quite a lot about you. Maybe more than you meant it to. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
They are small enclaves of the left in a vast sea of more conservative people. Now that doesn't mean that they're inconsequential, but they're hardly "the real America". America is a fairly conservative nation, and always has been in some profound ways.
The same can be said about Canada. Once you leave the cities, it's a different country. |
Plus, we can ask what percentage of the overall American population lives in large metropolitan areas as opposed to rural areas. Though, admittedly not all large metro areas are going to be liberal. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Plus, we can ask what percentage of the overall American population lives in large metropolitan areas as opposed to rural areas. Though, admittedly not all large metro areas are going to be liberal. |
nearly every large city is (even a place like dallas, which is liberal by tx standards). suburbs are another story. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| The United States is the most complexly diverse nations on earth. Any attempt to explain it as a "conservative" or "liberal" nation is a fools errand and will reflect the biases of the person making the statement more than it will the actual makeup of that beautiful place. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| The United States is the most complexly diverse nations on earth. |
Well, so is my pap smear.
You don't see nobody championing that, do you? |
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bhog
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Hank, sorry man, but see Stephen Harper. (bush of the north) Very similar people to those who vote for Bush vote for Harper in Canada. Such people exist north of the border as well as south of it.
It has been observed in the media that evangelical Christians see Harper as "an image-savvy evangelical who has been careful to keep his signals to them under the media radar, but they have no doubt his convictions run deep�so deep that only after he wins a majority will he dare translate the true colours of his faith into policies that could remake the fabric of the nation"[1].
from The Walrus |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
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| The United States is the most complexly diverse nations on earth. |
Well, so is my pap smear.
You don't see nobody championing that, do you? |
I believe America overshadows your smear (for better or worse). |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| America better bacdafupoffa ma pap smear. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I wonder what impact a million Cubans would have had on Canadian politics? |
That's one thing I think Canada lacks: a vibrant latino presence. Mexican food in Toronto sucks really badly.
A 100,000 Americans in a nation of about 20 million would surely be a great wave. |
Your statement above juxtaposes Latino with Mexican. Most Latinos would take exception to that. Canada has a large South American population, so I strongly disagree with what you stated. I recall in Montreal plenty of Latin supermarkets, Central American restaurants, and a few Mexican ones here and there. Frankly, I tasted the best Chinese food in a whole-in-the-wall Chinese restaurant in Montreal's China town. There are plenty of Canadians who go the U.S. to work. It does not entail that they have a preference for the U.S. Many also return to Canada after some years in the U.S. You also stated that Canada has about 20 million people. You are off by 13-15 million, so how conversant are you when it comes to matters Canadian? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| bhog wrote: |
Hank, sorry man, but see Stephen Harper. (bush of the north) Very similar people to those who vote for Bush vote for Harper in Canada. Such people exist north of the border as well as south of it.
It has been observed in the media that evangelical Christians see Harper as "an image-savvy evangelical who has been careful to keep his signals to them under the media radar, but they have no doubt his convictions run deep�so deep that only after he wins a majority will he dare translate the true colours of his faith into policies that could remake the fabric of the nation"[1].
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I disagree with that. Many people who voted for Harper did it because they were seeking a change. They knew he was limited in what he could do. Harper is an economist and articulate. The majority in the Canadian parliament are from the other political parties.
Harper is limited by the Canadian Supreme Court, the Charter etc..
Harper voters were not necessarily looking for a very aggressive Canada. Many of the voters who voted for him wre disgusted Liberals.
Many Bush voters were looking for that. It is hard to state that voters for the Conservative Party of Canada are simply a mirror of the Republican voters of the U.S., though both camps including fiscal conservatives and Evangelicals as you pointed out. He is losing support based on his foreign policy moves and very quickly and it was faster than Bush losing support over foreign policy. Harper also lost support over his support of Israel. That would not happen among Bush voters, generally. There was so much stubborness among those who doggedly supported Bush for so long and then abandoned ship when he was already elected a second time. Harper is an articulate prime minister, and when Jean Chretien sounded strange in French and English, in terms of pronunciation, it was attributed to the shape of his mouth. I think people should be wary of Harper as you said. All people should be wary of their prime ministers or presidents whether they are Americans, Canadians, or British.
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| America better bacdafupoffa ma pap smear. |
That's funny, eh! |
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