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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Religious fanaticism in the British muslim community has resulted in mass murder in our country. What do Home Office initiatives tackling religious hate in the British muslim community have to do with a British soldier accused of killing an Iraqi hotel worker? The Guardian failed to make the connection. |
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cwemory
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Gunpo, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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They are overwhelmingly from the subcontinent and not considered white.
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| Religious fanaticism in the British muslim community has resulted in mass murder in our country. What do Home Office initiatives tackling religious hate in the British muslim community have to do with a British soldier accused of killing an Iraqi hotel worker? The Guardian failed to make the connection. |
If John Reid's lecturing to parents about how to bring up their kids was actually going to counteract terrorism, I'd be all for it. Hell, I'd be demanding it. The fact is, it's about as effective as pissing in the wind. And rather detrimental even.
Asia has quite a problem with European and North American paedophiles. At this very moment, there will be a big fat middle-aged German or Canadian guy raping a traumatised Asian girl or boy somewhere in South East Asia, helping to ruin that child's life forever. Imagine if the Asian governments lectured white parents on how not to bring up their sons as paedophiles? Would it have any effect? It certainly wouldn't have the desired effect. No sane parent intentionally rears their kid to be a paedophile, the same way that no sane British muslim intentionally raises their kid to blow up buses. The only effect it would have would be to piss off the majority of whites, most of whom would become resentful - objecting to the whole 'white race' (if such a race exists) being tarred with the same brush as paedophiles , while a handful might even retaliate in a disproportionate way.
Alienating the whole muslim population is not the way forward. Most innocent muslims will feel really pissed off, and those angry young men most prone to being radicalised will be even more susceptible to having their minds warped in a dangerous way.
Unless you are prepared to ship the whole muslim population out - every last million of them (and big business would never allow it), or build huge labour camps around the country complete with gas chambers, you've got to work with that population in such a way as to get the best out of them. Get the muslim population on side, and start tackling terrorism with rational strategies, not vote winning sound bites.
* Junior will no doubt soon be on his way to grace the thread with pictures of child Palestinian bombers - but (even if those pictures are for real) that's a different kettle of fish - an entire population will become radicalised under decades of a brutal occupation.
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As for the allegation that it is what muslims are teaching their children that is contributing to terrorism, is there any cold hard fact to support this assertion? I'd like to see more analysis on what actually creates a terrorist. From what I understand, many terrorists recruited in the West were in fact not very religious at all until the brainwashers got hold of them. Some were agnostic, and indeed it is well known that others are converts from non-muslim backgrounds. And are they truly motivated by religion? I think there is clear evidence that their motivation is often political.
I'd like to see this menace eradicated; alas I fear the pandora box has been opened and the best we'll ever be able to do is contain it, or if we are lucky, significantly diminish it. I want to see this issue seriously tackled in an effective way, so that my children and I can live in security. I don't need to see a stupid opportunistic politician showing readers of The Sun how impressively tough and no-nonsense he can be. Especially if this is going to have an adverse effect.
Edited a couple more times to weed out glaring typos - before the speling/gramer/eror police arrive!
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| cwemory wrote: |
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They are overwhelmingly from the subcontinent and not considered white.
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While there are Pakistanis as pale as Imran Khan, they are a minority, and you don't see too many in the UK.Sadly, the kind of jokes they told about Pakistanis at school went something like this: Did you hear about the Paki who got diarrhoea? He went to his GP and cried "Doctor, help me - I'm melting!" (For those who need things spelt out: this joke refers to the fact his skin is brown). |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry - all Muslims want world domination. They really do want to
lord over everythign and everyone. Islam left alone seeks to exclude everything. Saudi Arabia is hospitible to no one but themselves. Muslim kids aren't grown to be terrorists but they are grown to dominate. Thats why there are so many muslim children. Terrorism is a tool when patience runs out. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry - all Muslims want world domination. They really do want to
lord over everythign and everyone. Islam left alone seeks to exclude everything. Saudi Arabia is hospitible to no one but themselves. Muslim kids aren't grown to be terrorists but they are grown to dominate. Thats why there are so many muslim children. Terrorism is a tool when patience runs out. |
I''ve now grown out of my indignation and anger at you -- into mere pity.
Please get a better diet and out into the sun more often.
DD |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Asia has quite a problem with European and North American paedophiles. At this very moment, there will be a big fat middle-aged German or Canadian guy raping a traumatised Asian girl or boy somewhere in South East Asia, helping to ruin that child's life forever. |
Indeed. Why not introduce the death penalty for such things in SE Asia? And for the human traffickers involved.
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| Alienating the whole muslim population is not the way forward. |
Muslims have determindly alienated themselves from western culture. There is no way to bring them into the fold.
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| Unless you are prepared to ship the whole muslim population out |
Christianity and ideology is the only effective challenge to Islam. Unfortunately the west threw this out the window decades ago.
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| As for the allegation that it is what muslims are teaching their children that is contributing to terrorism, is there any cold hard fact to support this assertion? |
There is so much evidence. You could fill entire threads with links..
Ministry responds to fear of Islamic schools becoming 'incubators of hate'
Juliet O'Neill
The Ottawa Citizen
Friday, March 25, 2005
Ontario Education Minister Gerard Kennedy launched an investigation
yesterday into the "deeply disturbing" situation at the Abraar Islamic
School after two teachers were suspended for their involvement in a young
student's writing project, which glorified martyrdom and violence against
Jews.
http://www.laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?t=69100 |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: France's new childrens book. |
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Teaching french muslim children to kill
This childrens comic book is officially distributed by French Mosques, French muslim libraries, and the Union of Islamic organisations of France.
It teaches young children that war is an obligation for every muslim, that a muslim wages war in the path of God, that he kills and that those who die without having fought, die with signs of hypocrisy upon them; if he dies as a martyr, he gains Paradise.
http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/2006/06/teaching-french-muslim-children-to.html |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:04 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry - all Muslims want world domination. They really do want to
lord over everythign and everyone. Islam left alone seeks to exclude everything. Saudi Arabia is hospitible to no one but themselves. Muslim kids aren't grown to be terrorists but they are grown to dominate. Thats why there are so many muslim children. Terrorism is a tool when patience runs out. |
I''ve now grown out of my indignation and anger at you -- into mere pity.
Please get a better diet and out into the sun more often.
DD |
Provide evidence that he is wrong.
Islam is the final religion. All are called 'back' to it (we are born muslim and then drift away). They don't see it as a grand social construction but as the Truth, Only Truth and FINAL truth. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: yes |
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How about you prove him wrong, instead of insulting him.
I know it's your style, but it makes you look bad.
I don't even have to cut you down. You do it to yourself.
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I'm sorry - all Muslims want world domination. They really do want to
lord over everythign and everyone. Islam left alone seeks to exclude everything. Saudi Arabia is hospitible to no one but themselves. Muslim kids aren't grown to be terrorists but they are grown to dominate. Thats why there are so many muslim children. Terrorism is a tool when patience runs out. |
I''ve now grown out of my indignation and anger at you -- into mere pity.
Please get a better diet and out into the sun more often.
DD |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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How about you prove him wrong, instead of insulting him.
I know it's your style, but it makes you look bad.
I don't even have to cut you down. You do it to yourself. |
Provide evidence that he is wrong.
Islam is the final religion. All are called 'back' to it (we are born muslim and then drift away). They don't see it as a grand social construction but as the Truth, Only Truth and FINAL truth.
Junior Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: France's new childrens book.
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Teaching french muslim children to kill
This childrens comic book is officially distributed by French Mosques, French muslim libraries, and the Union of Islamic organisations of France.
It teaches young children that war is an obligation for every muslim, that a muslim wages war in the path of God, that he kills and that those who die without having fought, die with signs of hypocrisy upon them; if he dies as a martyr, he gains Paradise. |
First, the guy is as racist and "assinine" as they come. I don't debate those who won't ever see but blanket, black and white evil and me, white man, righteous superiour. So you can stop your silly -- go get evidence.
Evidence is ALL around. Especially when he states, ALL Muslims .
Especially when he doesn't want to open his eyes and see the world for what it is -- easier for him to see millions as evil.
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| Muslim kids aren't grown to be terrorists but they are grown to dominate |
Fact of the matter, there is plenty of evidence in his own words, so I needn't refute anything. He shows his own spots. I am not going to argue with those who merely cut and paste and dig out any trite piece of garbage while refuting the real world and the experience it offers, the families that are there and the evidence of how common experience is to all of us.
You will find all your evidence and hate literature. It is of little proof. A side show and science fiction B movie. When you start to quote people of experience, depth of experience on the ground and in their intellectual capacity -- instead of the tin gods, the suits and late night guys. I will listen.
I think there are a lot of reasonable people on this board who will agree with me when I call you, Junior, Dulouz, a few others, as the hate mongers and simpletons that you are.......joiners you are. find yourself a nice cult and go away into the amazon and dream up all you want, your version of an enemy and other there....I'm dealing with reality.
DD |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| This looks like a long shot but perhaps its not. There are some still hinged free thinkers that insist Islam isn't a religion but a form of government. Elucidating this approach is a job for philosophers and aggressive one at that but, once the entity gets reclassified, we don't don't have to kiss the entity's behind anymore. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:06 am Post subject: |
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First, the guy is as racist and "assinine" as they come. I don't debate those who won't ever see but blanket, black and white evil and me, white man, righteous superiour. |
So...you're unsure of wether the following is good or evil?
Iranian women stoned for rumours of adultery.
Jihadis stone a man and woman for misconduct.
This is the sort of life you or your grandchildren will live under in the future, because you fail to see the dangers now.
And you're Ok with that? |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:46 am Post subject: yes |
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Bad shit happens all over the world. Fags get beat up in London, a Synagogue (sp?) gets burnt down, people get stoned to death, whatever.
When a government and its state religion actually condone these barbarous acts, they get my contempt.
You can be a PC, new age sensitive guy all you want. See how far it gets you. I am guessing not very far. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| If John Reid's lecturing to parents about how to bring up their kids was actually going to counteract terrorism, I'd be all for it. Hell, I'd be demanding it. The fact is, it's about as effective as pissing in the wind. And rather detrimental even. |
How could you possibly suggest that his "lecture" is ineffective? The Home Office is attempting to engage muslims and make dialogue. It sounds like a better option than letting extremism in their ranks fester. Have you read any polls about muslim attitudes toward Bin Laden? It's pretty clear to me that a laizze fair policy isn't working.
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| Asia has quite a problem with European and North American paedophiles. At this very moment, there will be a big fat middle-aged German or Canadian guy raping a traumatised Asian girl or boy somewhere in South East Asia, helping to ruin that child's life forever. Imagine if the Asian governments lectured white parents on how not to bring up their sons as paedophiles? |
This is completely irrelevant. Start a new thread.
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| the same way that no sane British muslim intentionally raises their kid to blow up buses. |
Poor parenting skills might be a contributing factor in such behaviour.
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| Alienating the whole muslim population is not the way forward. Most innocent muslims will feel really pissed off |
Breaking up dialogue with the muslim community at government level is much more likely to result in alienation.
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| and those angry young men most prone to being radicalised will be even more susceptible to having their minds warped in a dangerous way |
How on earth would you make the case that muslim men are more likely to become radicalized because the Home Office offers advice on parenting skills? The Home Office is employing similar initiatives with regards to anti-social behaviour.
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| Unless you are prepared to ship the whole muslim population out - every last million of them (and big business would never allow it), or build huge labour camps around the country complete with gas chambers, you've got to work with that population in such a way as to get the best out of them. Get the muslim population on side, and start tackling terrorism with rational strategies, not vote winning sound bites. |
Many of their inherent beliefs are not compatable with those of a western democray. Accomodating those beliefs is next to impossible. It's the other way around; The muslim population should get on our side.
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| And are they truly motivated by religion? I think there is clear evidence that their motivation is often political. |
They think they are going to heaven. |
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