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[thepeel]

Things are really heating up!

[happeningthang]

Really?? I thought the meaning was,

"Islamic schools should in future admit a quarter of their pupils from other faiths. And he said that housing estates should be planned to avoid creating isolated communities".

It's not a matter of muslims or anyone else being trusted to live apart. No-one should be living apart. Urban planners should be incorporating immigrants into existing communities, instead of allowing enclaves to be created.

It's probably a bit sensationalist to "BAN" a ghetto, more like planning so that they aren't created by default. A good thing for everyone involved.

[thepeel]

Right. But he used the word "ban". That suggests a very aggressive and non-negotiable position. One that will absolutely be (rightly) seen as a challenge to the authority structures within the ghettos. That the UK will start asserting authority in these areas again. It is an epic idea, when seen in the context of small muslim enclaves that are muslim governed and managed.

He drew a line in the sand, and then put flowers over it.

[happeningthang]

[ddeubel]

[thepeel]

So, DD, you are saying that the History of the world demonstrates to you that there is more peace when ethnic groups mix? Really?

I'm a big booster of the ways that Singapore, for example, has forced racial harmony upon the people with ethnic quotas in the HDB flats etc etc but I really don't agree with you at all that the thrust of history shows this. At best we can cherry pick examples of success here and there.

What is needed is a breaking down of ethnic groups, the melting pot, the American Idea, not multiculturalism. Singapore does a good job at this, and in fact, just a few weeks ago the PM said on national TV, repeatedly, "we need to be more like the Americans and less like the Europeans" (direct quote), meaning more melting pot and less multiculturalism. If Singapore, or America for that matter, are at all examples of successful ethnic mixing, it would seem that the state policy of multiculturalism is the opposite of what is needed.

They shouldn't be promoting multiculturalism, but a flexible British culture of many racial groups.

[happeningthang]

[thepeel]

I think we are using a different meaning of "culture". When I speak of culture, I mean a 'shared perspective', one that is unique to a time, place and people. Australia has her own culture, that is, one of democracy, civil rights, the enlightenment and modernity. That is Australian culture, like Canada and others. Many 'shared perspectives' (I won't mention the elephant in the room) are quite opposite of this and cannot occupy the same space without a struggle for dominance.

So, you can say that "x" people can live in "x" nation provided they adopt the dominant culture. They can bring their wine, dress and food (which aren't culture properly defined, but 'cultural artifacts', like Totem Poles) but you cannot, if you want peace, accept competing cultures into the same society. One will eventually dominate the other.

Again, the melting pot is the best idea we have (bring your wine, food and song, but "act American/Singaporean/Australian" etc). Multiculturalism is potentially suicidal for the dominant culture.

I think your PM Howard would agree with this, what with his repeated calls to "Australian Values".

[Neil]

Thread number 28374 "UK allows too many immigrants" thread from an OP whose own countries half arsed immigration policy results in him being trapped in hagwon hell because he lacks the Spanish language skills to work the fish fryer in Dennys.

[thepeel]

You talking about me?

[Neil]

Not really, these sorts of threads in general.

[thepeel]

As far as I know, this is the first thread about Brit pols saying that muslims ought not be allowed to live in seclusion.

Nor it it about "too many immigrants", but the failure to assimilate one specific group.

You aware of the race-riots happening, as I type this, in Windsor?

I think the issue is quite important, and getting more so every day.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23369687-details/Race+clashes+hit+Windsor/article.do

[bucheon bum]

over 100 people have been murdered in my hometown this year. The population of where I live is only 375,000. Nearby San Francisco set a record last year for homicides and has a high rate this year as well.

in other words, the usa (and likely canada) has a lot more pressing issues than muslim immigrants.

If you lived in France or even the UK, i'd be a little more sympathetic but a) you live in korea b) you're canadian. Talk about being afraid of a boogy monster.

[thepeel]

I am Canadian, and I don't live in Korea.

Why do I have to be European to show concern about this? And besides, this matters in Canada too. Just this week 4 muslim men repeated a pattern that is happening all over Europe and confined and gang-raped a woman for a few days. There was a plot to cut off the head of Harper. Your typical Canadian is about as friendly to Muslims as she/he is to being punched, but naive policy doesn't reflect this.

Muslim-Western relations will be THE issue for the next few years (decades?).

Expansive Islam affects Canada, though not as much as it does Europe. And besides, I post about many things. This is the only issue I ever get responses about.

I'd much rather discuss innovative ways to use tax policy to lessen global warming/cooling, or drug policy. Or a wide variety of things. Pair Hilton and her wonky eye.

This is the only issue that ever turns into a discussion.

Stop changing the subject. Have you nothing to say about the topic?

[bucheon bum]