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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Once again I say, pick up a grammar book, contains interesting facts on how, writing sentences improve. Cannot really comprehend. You don't sound intelligent. |
whatever.
If you can't follow a line or train of thought, IF you can't string a series of thoughts together (neurally) and if you can't imagine metaphor or allusion.
Whatever.
As I said, you need a better diet. I don't come online to write scholarly or even to cross every t. I come on to let my thoughts appear. If you can't see them, says more for you than myself -- given that I am confident in my own education and in my own years of editorial work.
Problem is like your avatar, you are so wrapped up in your notion of what should be, you can't see what ought to be....(but of course, this metaphor escapes you , as does "the barbarians are at the gates" of the article.....please tell me the etymology of that phrase???).
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Problem with you DD is that you speak like politicians who are out of touch with the real world, and never offering direct answers or explanations to the most of your shady posts. If someone ask you, "Are you a pvssy?", the you would most likely answer, "I am what I am and you're a racist because you asked me if I am a pvssy."
I highly recommend that you re-educate yourself in speaking and writing proper and clear English. If I were grading you're writings, you would definately get "F-" in my class.
Chuck E |
Those in glass houses.....
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| ChuckECheese wrote: |
I highly recommend that you re-educate yourself in speaking and writing proper and clear English. If I were grading you're writings, you would definately get "F-" in my class.
Chuck E |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union
By David Rennie, Europe Correspondent
(Filed: 05/10/2006)
jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/05/wmuslims05.xml
Radical Muslims in France's housing estates are waging an undeclared "intifada" against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.
As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were "in a state of civil war" with Muslims.
France: Teacher on the run after criticizing Muhammad
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/29/news/france.php
Philosophy teacher Robert Redeker is on the runsince fundamentalists threatened to kill him for his article on violence within Islam.
Redeker described Muhammad as a �ruthless and looter warlord, a Jew slaughterer and a polygamist�. He also compared Islam to communism.
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: Re: Civil War in France? |
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BTW, don;t expect to see CNN/BBC covering these ongoing riots, or the ones in Belgium, they are too busy salivating over the Foley "scandal", which will soon be proven to be another manufactured bit of desperate dem. propaganda (a la Valerie Plame, Bush army memos etc...)
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So you support the cyber-stalking of teenagers and the covering up of such by elected officials? You are either with the child molesters or against them. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: Re: Civil War in France? |
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| BTW, don;t expect to see CNN/BBC covering these ongoing riots, or the ones in Belgium, they are too busy salivating over the Foley "scandal", which will soon be proven to be another manufactured bit of desperate dem. propaganda (a la Valerie Plame, Bush army memos etc...) |
Manufactured?
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:41 am Post subject: Re: Civil War in France? |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
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| BTW, don;t expect to see CNN/BBC covering these ongoing riots, or the ones in Belgium, they are too busy salivating over the Foley "scandal", which will soon be proven to be another manufactured bit of desperate dem. propaganda (a la Valerie Plame, Bush army memos etc...) |
Manufactured?
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Haha, methinks someone doth readeth too much Chomsky. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union
By David Rennie, Europe Correspondent
(Filed: 05/10/2006)
jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/05/wmuslims05.xml
Radical Muslims in France's housing estates are waging an undeclared "intifada" against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.
As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were "in a state of civil war" with Muslims.
France: Teacher on the run after criticizing Muhammad
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/29/news/france.php
Philosophy teacher Robert Redeker is on the runsince fundamentalists threatened to kill him for his article on violence within Islam.Redeker described Muhammad as a �ruthless and looter warlord, a Jew slaughterer and a polygamist�. He also compared Islam to communism. |
Interesting to see you post the Rennie article again, and then make a new post about it... again. What, is this one official of a hard line police union's appriasal of the situation that compelling to you??
As to Robert Redeker, I have minimal sympathy for his "plight". He's clearly baiting the fundamentalists so that he will be threatened and be forced to call more attention to the intolerance of muslim nut job, fundies.
Why else would you make such provocative statements to religious people about their holiest figure. It's something lilke someone standing up and saying jeebus was a bum, charlatan and trickster, and the virgin mary was as big a liar as Joseph was a cuckold. You're insulting something people hold dearly, and if they're well known for issuing death threats, and generally not being tolerant than this guy cannot have expected anything other than what's happened. He's playing the press to make a point, and to his credit he's succeeded. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: |
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[quote="happeningthang"]
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| Interesting to see you post the Rennie article again, and then make a new post about it... again. |
Just felt like the France issue needed an updated thread.
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| It's something lilke someone standing up and saying jeebus was a bum, charlatan and trickster, and the virgin mary was as big a liar as Joseph was a cuckold. You're insulting something people hold dearly |
Such insults are hurled at Christianity daily. Plenty such stuff on these forums for example. its hardly a rare thing. It is invariably shrugged off as juvenile rantings and no more is said about it. the same and far less provocative things are stated about Islam..and..bang, you have full scale death threats, rioting and a few murders.
What i don't get is how you then manage to blame the man for his plight, condemn his use of free speech, then stress the fact that you have no sympathy that he is forced to live in hiding. Do you really think a guy would put himself and his family at the risk of death threats to "play the media?" |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:19 am Post subject: |
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When in France, did you speak to any frogs? I've spoken with plenty and their hatred of the muslims was quite clear. Almost as bad as the Dutch. They openly talk about kicking them all out. If you put any two "Europeans" in a room together eventually the topic of conversation will turn to "them" and how to get them "out". Being naive doesn't help your cause. Or maybe you are just such a PC tighta$s that nobody will tell your their real opinion for fear of having to sit through a long rant about "I've lived blah blah!" and "Like the late-great Korean hooker Lee Kim Cow wrote". If you are half as intolerable in real life as you are online...
And Islam isn't a race. But maybe I'd better put a black dude as my avatar, even tho I'm a white dude, and then run around with my ball in my hand calling everybody racists. Then I'd be an authority on racism, like DD. |
Did you call them frogs when you met them? It's amazing how like minded people can find each other, isn't it? |
Oh relax. The French, despite their unwavering arrogance and small minded commitment to socialism, are among my most favorite people. Calling them 'frogs' is in jest, merely a bait at dd.
My experience with the French, as recent as today actually (quite a few in my apartment building here), leads me to believe that they don't want to think of the problems they have and would much rather stare across the Atlantic. Despite this, they are suffer from a deeply held ethnic-arrogance that doesn't lead itself much to lofty ideas of tolerance or others etc etc.
Again, I don't think it is a good (or bad) thing, and I also think the Euros must share some of the blame with the muslims for their social failures, but they (the muslims) will eventually be given the boot. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| It's something lilke someone standing up and saying jeebus was a bum, charlatan and trickster, and the virgin mary was as big a liar as Joseph was a cuckold. You're insulting something people hold dearly |
Such insults are hurled at Christianity daily. Plenty such stuff on these forums for example. its hardly a rare thing. It is invariably shrugged off as juvenile rantings and no more is said about it. the same and far less provocative things are stated about Islam..and..bang, you have full scale death threats, rioting and a few murders.
What i don't get is how you then manage to blame the man for his plight, condemn his use of free speech, then stress the fact that you have no sympathy that he is forced to live in hiding. Do you really think a guy would put himself and his family at the risk of death threats to "play the media?"
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What's wrong with this guy?? I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he's not a total mong who has no idea what the consequences of his actions are. It's well documneted, it's well known. It's not like Salman Rushdie's artistic license taken the wrong way by some freak.
His actions were deliberately provocative, and he would have to be a fool to think they wouldn't create the response they have.
To my mind he made a deliberate choice that has led to his "plight". I think he has done this to make a stand on the right to free speech, to demonstrate the intolerance of some Muslims, to create an environment that will prompt some action against this intolerance. The guy's being courageous in doing so, and is standing up for his beliefs. Good for him. But he's made his choice in doing so, and he is engaging in some grandstanding. I can wish him well, but I'm not fooled into thinking he's some kind of martyr figure. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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I would agree with HT that the French prof was egging them on. That doesn't make the death threats any less wrong or disgusting. But every time this happens it gets much easier to label a spade a spade in public discourse, and for that I have much respect for him and those like him.
In many ways, and I know this sounds aggressive, I think the muslims should be egged on. They must be dragged kicking and screaming (and threatening) into modernity. I looks like ridicule and stabs at their "prophet" and his reputation ought to be our weapon of choice. But, I can say that I have at least as much respect for the muslims as I do the Fundi Xians, in that I have the same level of entertained contempt for their neanderthal beliefs and do not hesitate to call either group out on their dumb ideas. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| Europeans riot a lot. *shrug* |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:10 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel is the poster child for this board's liberal ostriches.
Calling people racists for posting an article about THOUSANDS of French policemen being injured?
If the rioters were fair-skinned Slavs, or white Muslim Bosnians, rioting with no regard for the law, with thousands of French policemen injured...
would I still be a racist for posting an article on the severity of said riots??
And I have spoken to many French over the last 2 years, rangin from lifelong friends to the lady next to me on an airplane to LA, and the feelings expressed have all hinted at a serious amount of despair and concern over the problems in the banileaus. To think that Europe, simply because pax americana has made the ancient tribal wars disappear, is not capable of deporting millions of unassimilated North African/Muslim welfare recipients, is naive. Things could, stress the COULD, get truly ugly in the coming decades. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| They must be dragged kicking and screaming (and threatening) into modernity. |
Ain't gonna happen. "Modernity" has bitten off more than it can chew all at once and the ways of the 21st century are easily subverted by the rules of the 7th. There is no way the fragile cultured democracy of Europe can handle this sort of problem, except by reverting to 7th century tactics. |
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flint
Joined: 11 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: Re: Civil War in France? |
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| BTW, don;t expect to see CNN/BBC covering these ongoing riots, or the ones in Belgium, they are too busy salivating over the Foley "scandal", which will soon be proven to be another manufactured bit of desperate dem. propaganda (a la Valerie Plame, Bush army memos etc...) |
Seriously? Heh....I dunno if that is funnier than the blame game Republicans are playing but it is as funny as someone saying they should blame the Democrats for Foley. |
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