Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Democrats Turn a Page....
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
sundubuman



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil wrote:
sundubuman wrote:
You don;t find us provincials giving a flying f u ck as to what happens on your cloudy isles... (or are you a canuck?)


your obsession with any and all things America HINTS LOUDLY at your inability to live where you'd like.

Happy trails.... musselman.....


How about your obsession with jonny frog?

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=67689&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

or your obsession with Europe as a whole?

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?p=911089&highlight=#911089

or your obsession with jerry?

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?p=885099&highlight=#885099

There's surely more of you complaining about countries you've never been too but I don't have time......

Maybe if non Americans talking about America offends you so much you could set a shining example and not comment about those who aren't American or Israeli.

Yep...no more posts about Islam for you! How will you fill the evenings?


Oh Neil...... may I take this moment to welcome you fully to America.....


Welcome to a truly American thread.....you may have wanted to immigrate there when you were younger....well, here is your chance. You are not trapped in Korea.......you are free to move around the (temperate) parts of the North American Continent. Make your choice, will it be spicy New Mexico? Intellectual Rhode Island? How about prairie Iowa??? Or maybe mountainous Tennessee is more your style? You could of course check out totally and live on the beach in the middle of the Pacific (Hawaii) or up north in Alaska?


It's all good.....it's all good....


Pick one of 50 states, make it your own. Defend your state and regional culture with all of your strength.

But please leave your British (fishy)chip on shoulder.......well on that side of the pond.



For we have a very loooong history of both defeating and defending you folks.....



for what it's worth.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Neil



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohh I've been there a couple of time before.....very nice, jolly nice people.

But I think I'll go to Japan next....they have robots and the PS3 will be out earlier.

You can't compete with that.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sundubuman,

After that brilliant prose, I would like to thank you. Thank you for inspiring Stephen Colbert. If it were not for people like you, there would be no "The Colbert Report". There would be much less humor for me on weekday evenings.

So once again: thank you.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
sundubuman



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are oh so welcome....

I don't watch much TV, although I heard Colbert is quite funny....

Glad I can do my part.....like the Amish who never heard of the guy.....

Wonder where Hollywood is heading when virtually everybody is ignoring them.......

except bucheon, who references me and his favorite Hollywood-produced show...


care to talk about reality instead of referencing banality????


let me know when you are up for it.....


meanwhile, the majority of us are moving on......
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than resorting to an Ad-hominem, you could explain to us why you are still supporting the grooming of minors for paedophile sex. And as for your, 'what are you, peez off outta our business rant', I'll do the same, my son, when you stop butting into Europe's business.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:

Wonder where Hollywood is heading when virtually everybody is ignoring them.......

except bucheon, who references me and his favorite Hollywood-produced show...


care to talk about reality instead of referencing banality????


let me know when you are up for it.....


meanwhile, the majority of us are moving on......


a) it is produced in NY, but nice try. You love to generalize just about everything huh?

b) the sex scandal you mentioned in the OP is a red herring. It's called politics. If the GOP didn't capitalize on that scandal back then, tough.. I also wouldn't be surprised if the dems would have been as dumb as Hastert was this time.

Regardless, GOP leadership screwed up this time. And unlike the Dems, they pride themselves on "family values" hence the charges of hypocriscy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
sundubuman



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust me,

the hypocrisy if it resides anywhere is fully that of the Democrats.

In 83, they poo-pooed a similar story where the sex was CONSUMATED.....

in the 90's they tried to make Clinton's lying about having not shoved cigars up an interns vag-ina as an issue of mere prudishness....


And now, after a Republican teen-chaser, who never had sex with the young government worker as did the aforementioned, and only sent salacious IMS.... actually steps down from his position in government (as opposed to the 2 Dems who felt no need to do so)...


It is the Republicans who are the hypocrites!!!!


friggin astounding....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, sundubuman, try to get your facts straight.

The 1983 scandal was due to Studds (D-MASS) 1973 sex with a male page and Dan Crane's (R-ILL) 1980 sex with a female page.

Both behaviors were despicably unethical, if not immoral and/or illegal.

Secondly, to accuse one party or another of having a monopoly on hypocrisy, partisanship, or election year pandering is to be completely ignorant of political history.

That the Republicans got caught with their pants down one month before a mid-term election is the fault of the Republicans. While trying to shift the issue on to the Democrat's is admittedly part of the political process, it completely ignores the despicable behavior of Foley and the GOP.

In the end, the American people will decide which one they consider worse. Foley preying on young boys and the GOP covering it up, or the Dems for making an issue out of it. Come November 7, we'll have our answer.

In short, don't hate the player. Hate the game.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to take someone seriously who starts a thread about moral equivalency on one topic then resorts to it to begin a new thread on another topic. There is just something so...., um...hypocritical about it. Especially when the second topic is allegedly about the opposition being hypocritical.

I'm really curious why the OP made NO posts on the Foley thread expressing any reaction at all, much less moral outrage at an adult sexually preying on a teenager while party officials knew and said nothing, but gets all excited about a perceived hypocritical stance by a political party.

It makes me wonder just what his values are.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
sundubuman



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"preying on young boys"????


a 17 year-old openly talking with someone via IM's is a "young boy"???


check out the following list....

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

In the vast majority of countries, a 17 year-old is considered responsible for his/her own actions when it comes to sex.



Question for ya Huff...


Is a 17 year-old a "young boy"?

And should a 17-year-old be free to have sex?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:
a 17 year-old openly talking with someone via IM's is a "young boy"???

16. Don't forget that the minimum age for House pages is also 16, so he went for the youngest ones he could find.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
sundubuman



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and for the record,

I think Foley did the right thing by stepping down......unlike Clinton who chose to drag the country through the mud for years......

Both behaviors were wrong.

Yet you on the left who seem so worked up over this (non-sex...ie no sex happened) are bar none


the GREATEST FRIGGIN HYPOCRITES I've ever seen!!

Why do you care what a Congressman IM'd a willing IM'er???? yet feign total disconcern for what Clinton did???

If one of you can enlighten me as to why Foley is so much more despicable than Studds/Clinton/Jesse Jackson........ (and remember the latter 3 had sex with young folks, never felt the need to step down from their office/position......while the former, checked himself into rehab, apologized, and quit his job in disgrace)

please do so.....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
In the vast majority of countries, a 17 year-old is considered responsible for his/her own actions when it comes to sex.


In Canada, the age of consent used to be 14, but the Conservatives just raised it to 16.

However...

Whatever the age, everything changes when an adult is in a position of authority over someone under the age of 18, even if he's over the age of consent. At least according to Canadian law. Not sure what the laws in D.C. or Florida say about that.

It's beginning to look to me, though, as if Foley might have planned his actions carefully to avoid actually breaking any laws. The boys were all 16, so he wasn't breaking the age of consent laws, and since he doesn't seem to have used the internet to solicit actual sex, they can't get him under that internet stalking law that he helped co-author.


Last edited by On the other hand on Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:25 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Question for ya Huff...


Question for ya, dubu:

What is the minimum age you think is OK for an adult male to solicit sex with a minor male?

17 seems to be OK with you. What about a 15 year old? They are sexually mature. Maybe a 13 year old? Is that OK?

More importantly, how old does the kid have to be before other adults who know the sexual preying is going on are no longer obligated, morally or legally, to step in and protect the kid? I realize from what you've said that at some point it is more important that adults protect other adults from the consequences of their actions, but I'd really like to know what you consider that cut-off point to be.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
More importantly, how old does the kid have to be before other adults who know the sexual preying is going on are no longer obligated, morally or legally, to step in and protect the kid?


But here's the thing. If Foley WASN'T breaking any laws, what exactly could the GOP leadership have done, besides asking him to stop? If Foley continued to ignore their entreaties to cease his behavior, I don't know that they had any other options left, besides informally warning pages to stay away from him.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Page 2 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International