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sundubuman
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you make my point for me........what is "heritage"
her�i�tage Pronunciation (hr-tj)
n.
1. Property that is or can be inherited; an inheritance.
2. Something that is passed down from preceding generations; a tradition.
3. The status acquired by a person through birth; a birthright: a heritage of affluence and social position.
Seems like Barack only possesses his mom's "heritage"...unless DNA is a heritage.
How would you feel if a Korean adoptee spoke of his "heritage" as opposed to his "ancestry"?
and for Huff Daddy, GW moved to Texas when he was 2 years old!!!!! Andhe chose to make his carreer and life in the same place....and married a Texan.
I'm not saying someone like Obama doesn't have the right to choose which state to build a political career in. I just happen to think that his choices are incredibly "strategic". Something that 2 year-old George W. could hardly have been accused of. |
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sundubuman
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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and efltrainer......
where did I lie about Obama?
I hope when you are training your students, you can explain the difference between facts and opinions. Lying implies stating falsehoods as facts. Where have I done that? |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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I wash my hands of Democratic politics, particularly the antiBush faction
that seems to have taken over. |
You're thinking that maybe the so-called opposition party should have a pro-Bush faction? Well, at least former quasi-Democratic Senator Lieberman agrees with you.
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
3. The status acquired by a person through birth; |
Heritage sounds like the right word to me. Is Obama not black by birth?
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and for Huff Daddy, GW moved to Texas when he was 2 years old!!!!! Andhe chose to make his carreer and life in the same place....and married a Texan. |
Actually, the Bush carpetbagging routine goes bag to Prescott, who grew up in Ohio and ended up being a senator from Connecticut. Then GHWB calling himself a Texan while he vacationed in Kunnebunkport, Maine. Then GWB who went to Andover, Yale, and Harvard. In Texas, that makes him a carpetbagger. Yet he does the hook 'em horns. Uh-hu. Sure. Sounds like he's using his "Texanness" to his political advantage. And if George is from Texas, how the heck can Jeb be from Florida?
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| I'm not saying someone like Obama doesn't have the right to choose which state to build a political career in. I just happen to think that his choices are incredibly "strategic". Something that 2 year-old George W. could hardly have been accused of. |
"Incredibly"? Moving to the third largest city in America to help with community organization. That's quite an anomaly.
"Strategic"? Do you assume a black man in Chicago has his political path laid out for him? That's a pretty big assumption. A bigger assumption than any normal person could make. |
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sundubuman
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: |
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you forget HuffDaddy,
I see Obama as WHITE.....
He was not going to house parties with me and my Chicago friends (of all hues) in the mid-80's.
He looked in the mirror, and discovered his "identity", married a black woman and "became" black.
Don't blame society for making this prep-school kid raised by white Kansan grandparents in Hawaii somehow feel he had no choice but to be "black".
It's an identity he chose for himself.
My only question is,
I wonder why?????? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:11 am Post subject: |
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He looked in the mirror, and discovered his "identity", married a black woman and "became" black.
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Do you have evidence that Obama's choice of a marriage partner was motivated by "identity", as opposed to romantic, considerations? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
you forget HuffDaddy,
I see Obama as WHITE..... |
Okay, but you're probably the only one in the world though.
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| He was not going to house parties with me and my Chicago friends (of all hues) in the mid-80's. |
 So that makes him white?
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Don't blame society for making this prep-school kid raised by white Kansan grandparents in Hawaii somehow feel he had no choice but to be "black".
It's an identity he chose for himself. |
Hardly. Why did Fuzzy Zeller ask Tiger Woods if he was going to be serving fried chicken and collard greens? And not pad thai and tom yum? Obama did not invent the one-drop rule. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:33 am Post subject: |
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None of the original descriptions.
i see her as an incompetant boob. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| sundubuman wrote: |
you forget HuffDaddy,
I see Obama as WHITE..... |
Okay, but you're probably the only one in the world though.
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| He was not going to house parties with me and my Chicago friends (of all hues) in the mid-80's. |
So that makes him white?
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Don't blame society for making this prep-school kid raised by white Kansan grandparents in Hawaii somehow feel he had no choice but to be "black".
It's an identity he chose for himself. |
Hardly. Why did Fuzzy Zeller ask Tiger Woods if he was going to be serving fried chicken and collard greens? And not pad thai and tom yum? Obama did not invent the one-drop rule. |
Yet Tiger chose to become the world's leading golfer, adored by countless millions of Republicans (and Democrats)........
But somehow, Barack, with his (solely caucasian) upbringing, was driven to embracing the struggle of his (abandoning) father's people?
And a question, are those people Muslim Kenyans, or Black Chicagoans.....or is that simply irrelevant? Or are they simply anyone with unwhite skin?
It's a shame Barack didn't head back to his mom/grandparent's hometown in Kansas, where, my guess is ironically, his skintone would not have been such an issue. (in otherwords, Obama, had he been 100% whitey, instead of 50, would NEVER had been elected to the Illinois State Senate in the district in which he ran)....
My guess is that the same folks that birthed and CHOSE TO RAISE Barack would have seen in him the same leadership skills he so deftly displayed on the South Side of Chicago.....
But Kansas is chump change when compared with Illinois..... |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Yet Tiger chose to become the world's leading golfer, adored by countless millions of Republicans (and Democrats)........ |
And so....?? Obama is adored by countless millions of Republicans and Democrats as well.
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| But somehow, Barack, with his (solely caucasian) upbringing, was driven to embracing the struggle of his (abandoning) father's people? |
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0401250368jan25,0,6567066.story?coll=chi-news-hed
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Obama moved to Chicago in his early 20s to organize community programs in poor neighborhoods. He said he felt unfulfilled in his Manhattan office job. In his late 20s, he went to law school at Harvard and then settled back in Chicago to practice. During this period, at just 33, he wrote a 402-page, soul-searching memoir called "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance." The book chronicled, among other topics, his mixed-race heritage (his mother was white) and his father's absence.
In the mid-1990s, Obama won a seat in the Illinois Senate. Politics appealed to him, he said, because he has a deep desire to advocate for social justice, and he came to believe that could not be accomplished within the legal system.
"When I was in college, I decided I wanted to be part of bringing about social change, and politics was really an extension or progression from that broader set of goals," said Obama, citing his mother's 1960s activism as his inspiration. "Some of that is based on the values my family gave me. Some of it is based on my status as an African-American in this country. And some of it is informed by my having lived abroad and having family in underdeveloped countries where the contrast between rich and poor is so sharp that it is hard to ignore injustice." |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: |
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But Kansas is chump change when compared with Illinois..... |
Having grown up in Kansas, I don't blame him. Though FWIW, he primarily grew up in Hawaii. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: |
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I know where he grew up...
FWIW...Kansas is where his American ancestors are from, NOT THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO!!!!!!
If he feels nothing for that main aspect of his American heritage, what makes me think he will feel any greater for his pitstop in Illinois? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| You're thinking that... |
No. I'm thinking that politics is the art of compromise. Lieberman (and a few others) understand this. But the Democrats have shown that they are at least as puerile and churlish as the Republicans when they have to deal with the opposition... |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
I know where he grew up...
FWIW...Kansas is where his American ancestors are from, NOT THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO!!!!!!
If he feels nothing for that main aspect of his American heritage, what makes me think he will feel any greater for his pitstop in Illinois? |
Yeah, next thing you know, he'll be running for Senate from Mississippi. Or for governor of Alabama. Uh-hu sure. I'm really not sure what leads to your embitterment for the man, just because he wasn't born in Chicago, but instead chose to live there. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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and efltrainer......
where did I lie about Obama?
I hope when you are training your students, you can explain the difference between facts and opinions. Lying implies stating falsehoods as facts. Where have I done that? |
Your entire post on Obama earlier in the thread was shown to be complete bull. Can't remember what you typed? You stated DATA, not opinion. Go back and read it. You lied. |
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