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Gaber



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know his name but I do remember seeing him eat a whole peice of bacon raw, like a like an armadilo sucking up an ant.
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i_teach_esl



Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Location: baebang, asan/cheonan

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know its all over now, but i have to know, guru, did you add anything to the meat at all when you cooked it? garlic, onions, oil, anything?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too late to help out. But...

#1. The ground beef/ground pork here is dry because there is not enough fat in it. Whoda thunk that, given the way 삼겹살 is?

Two solutions:

a) Ask the butcher to put in more fat when he grinds the meat for you.

b) Make meatballs: 500 g of meat, 1 egg, 1/2 cup bread crumbs. Simple, fast, easy. I don't know why it works; I guess the breadcrumbs absorb sauce and juices and makes the meat tastier.

#2. Use Italian sausage. For my money, it ain't spaghetti if there ain't no Italian sausage in it.

I make my own Italian sausage (bulk) out of ground pork (very cheap) and make meatballs out of it. I use it on pizza, in spaghetti, lasagna and some soups.


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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

#1. The ground beef/ground pork here is dry because there is not enough fat in it. Whoda thunk that, given the way 삼겹살 is?


Interesting point. Many Koreans are quick to whine about how 'greasy' foreign foods are, yet will scoff down 삼겹살 like a 청소기
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mashimaro wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:

#1. The ground beef/ground pork here is dry because there is not enough fat in it. Whoda thunk that, given the way 삼겹살 is?


Interesting point. Many Koreans are quick to whine about how 'greasy' foreign foods are, yet will scoff down 삼겹살 like a 청소기

But their ability to remain slim and stunning despite living in Samgyopsalville is to be commended. Indeed, I myself commended a lot of slimness & stunningness in the past... 17 hours. My home was Chuseok Central yesterafternoon and yesternight for about 20 Koreans and foreigners, and vast quantities of food & drink were consumed.

Okay, it wasn't really a traditional Chuseok gathering, there were no ancient Chuseok traditions being honoured here, except for the one that goes: The menfolk shall occupy the most desirable and comfortable seating positions, lounge around inside & out, and drink & eat & smoke & talk & laugh & belch, while all the womenfolk shall be herded into the kitchen and the dining room, where they will cook & wash & pour & serve & talk & ask me "What do you need?" whenever I go in there. But that's no different from parties any other time of the year, so can we call it a Chuseok tradition?

Started with the beer, oozed into the coccktails, slithered into the wine, and then tripped & stumbled into the whiskey "one-shots" -- no soju, though a few people brought along bottles of very volkst�mlich und rustikal Korean alcohol, which they cracked open and partook of in the country people's fashion.

And now it's time to haul out the cheongsogi, but I don't think I can bear the racket just now. Please hold on while I make coffee. Yes, I know coffee the morning after flies in the face of science, logic, and the advice of one poster on the "Hangover Remedy" thread. But the water & grapefruit juice just aren't doing the job. BRB.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i_teach_esl wrote:
i know its all over now, but i have to know, guru, did you add anything to the meat at all when you cooked it? garlic, onions, oil, anything?

Yes, I did add some things. First, let me announce that it worked out really well!! The problem with my previous attempts was that I was in too much of a rush and didn't give the meat enough time to entirely thaw out naturally. It was either half-frozen on the inside, or when I tried to defrost with the MWO, I overdid it and actually turned part of the meat into solid, cooked, difficult-to-break-up clumps. However, there's no doubt that the beef itself was too lean, and that's something I'll be careful about.

Still, it was having sufficient time to allow the meat to thaw entirely that made all the difference this time. There's just no comparing how much easier it was this time to get the proper consistency. Okay, what did I add... crushed garlic, then when it seemed to be drying out, a small amount of water, a spoon of cooking oil. Probably not necessary if the beef had a bit a fat to it. Then more crushed garlic, then chopped onions, salt & pepper. I don't have a recipe, but I'm learning from this thread.

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Too late to help out. But...

Two solutions:

a) Ask the butcher to put in more fat when he grinds the meat for you.

b) Make meatballs: 500 g of meat, 1 egg, 1/2 cup bread crumbs. Simple, fast, easy. I don't know why it works; I guess the breadcrumbs absorb sauce and juices and makes the meat tastier.

#2. Use Italian sausage. For my money, it ain't spaghetti if there ain't no Italian sausage in it.

I make my own Italian sausage (bulk) out of ground pork (very cheap) and make meatballs out of it. I use it on pizza, in spaghetti, lasagna and some soups.

I was even thinking of sending an S.O.S. (save our sauce) PM to you or Grotto about this problem earlier in the week.

I tried (a) after the first failure. Well, that is, I told my ajumma to try (a), but I didn't see any difference between the meat he sold her that time and what she bought the first time. I've just got to go there myself and make sure with my own two eyes.

(b) sounds doable, #2 is far more ambitious but sounds great. I almost wish I was eating & cooking meat regularly, just to try it.

The dish was for the guests, and 9 out of 9 liked it and my only mistake was not making more. But it wasn't meant to be the main course. It's Chuseok and there was a mountain of traditional Korean food that others made and brought.
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flotsam



Joined: 28 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumour has it that thawing meat in a simmering pot of onion broth makes for yummy Fleisch that's the bee's knees.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One way around frozen ground beef: Steam it! Put a little water in the pan with the beef, cover and turn on the heat. Peek in every few minutes and peel off the thawed part with your spatula and break up the clumps. Near the end, when you just have a small lump left, take the lid off so the water can evaporate and escape.

If you are just putting it in spaghetti sauce, why not?

BTW, steamed ground beef makes a great hamburger...it's just messy to eat, but that can be fun, too.
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formerflautist



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta boy has a great idea. There's a very popular restaurant near my hometown that makes sandwiches using steamed ground beef. They're actually called Maid-rites. It's best to use a double boiler to cook the beef.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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near my hometown


Where's your hometown? I'm betting you are a midwest boy, like me. I've eaten at Maid-Rite manys the time. Good chow.
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only comments are:

Go with bacon. Fat delivers taste .

Make sure it is made atleast two days earlier and then refrigerated and simmered to reheat, at a very low heat.

Oregano, real tasty oregano.

Forget the beef.

DD
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I have a secret spaghetti recipe for Mexican style spaghetti. Can't reveal my secret though. Very Happy
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made a meat sauce last night, and I was thinking about Yata Boy's Italian sausage recommendations. Didn't have any Italian sausage though, so I used some chorizo that was lying around. It worked out well.
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Spiky



Joined: 29 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: coffee spaghetti recipe Reply with quote

As for the recipe, here is one recipe that uses coffee, perhaps it was similar to this one...

EASY SPAGHETTI MEAT SAUCE

2 tbsp. olive oil
1/2 c. chopped onion, or 1 onion, grated
1 lb. lean ground beef
Garlic powder to taste
1 can (10 oz.) tomato soup
1 can (12 oz.) tomato paste
1/2 c. black coffee (brewed or instant)
1 tsp. salt
Dash pepper
1/4 tsp. oregano

Heat olive oil in skillet. Add onion, ground beef, and garlic powder. Cook and stir, over medium heat, until meat has browned. Carefully add and blend in remaining ingredients. Bring to a boil, then reduce heat to simmer. Cook over low heat, stirring occasionally, for 1/2 hour. Cool, then refrigerate or freeze for later use, if desired. Yield: 4 generous servings
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
so I used some chorizo


I tried making some but I haven't found a recipe I like for it. But I'm sure good chorizo would taste great in spaghetti. Where did you buy yours?
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