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After First Year in Korea: Learn Spanish in South America
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VirginIslander



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:10 pm    Post subject: After First Year in Korea: Learn Spanish in South America Reply with quote

Hello,

For the longest time, I have wanted to speak a second language. Currently, I am learning Korean but I realize that I will never will acquire fluency. Moreover, most of my days here are conducted in English.

Being American and pragmatic, I prefer Spanish. I am still young (25) and I do not have any substantial financial obligations. At my current rate of savings, I will save more than $10,000 after my first year in Busan. After my depature in July, I could use the money on a 4-6 month language immersion program in Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, etc....

There are several programs offered through spanishabroad.com
latinimmersion.com and many more. For a twenty week program, at a cost of five to eight thousand dollars, I could receive 4-6 classes a day (max: 6 students), housing and SPANISH FOOD!

Has anybody participated a similiar program? If so, can you please offer some advice. This is an expensive venture, but one that will greatly improve my life and career prospects.

Thanks
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: After First Year in Korea: Learn Spanish in South Americ Reply with quote

VirginIslander wrote:
latinimmersion.com and many more. For a twenty week program, at a cost of five to eight thousand dollars, I could receive 4-6 classes a day (max: 6 students), housing and SPANISH FOOD!

What a scam! Why not just get a job and work there for a 6-12 months? That way you wouldn't be blowing your savings.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During the summer I spend a month in central america. Guatemala (where I spent the most time) had Spanish schools all over the place and most had homestay options as well as small class sizes. I studied for two weeks at one place and I intend to go back and study at a few different places. I guess what I'm saying is don't lock yourself into one place.
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kimchikowboy



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there are better ways of doing it than what you have mentioned. I lived in Chile and Argentina for over three years before coming here, so PM me if you have specific questions.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: After First Year in Korea: Learn Spanish in South Americ Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
VirginIslander wrote:
latinimmersion.com and many more. For a twenty week program, at a cost of five to eight thousand dollars, I could receive 4-6 classes a day (max: 6 students), housing and SPANISH FOOD!

What a scam! Why not just get a job and work there for a 6-12 months? That way you wouldn't be blowing your savings.


If that job is teaching English, you're working against yourself. You may save money, but you'll be spending a massive chunk of time each day using English on the job at the expense of target language study time. Add to that the English-speaking contacts you make on the job and you're not really getting much of an immersion experience.

If the OP's primary goal is to learn a language, he's on the right track.
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: After First Year in Korea: Learn Spanish in South Americ Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
If that job is teaching English, you're working against yourself. You may save money, but you'll be spending a massive chunk of time each day using English on the job at the expense of target language study time. Add to that the English-speaking contacts you make on the job and you're not really getting much of an immersion experience.

If the OP's primary goal is to learn a language, he's on the right track.

I see your point, but I'm not suggesting that the OP try to save money, just not spend $5-8 thousand on a short course, the equivalent benefit of which could be gained with some initiative and self-management. The amount of money that's being talked about is a lot in a Latin American context, and it would be an unpleasant experience if one was to pay it, then find that the course was low quality, the accomodation was below par, and that the food sucked.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh, move to Miami or L.A. No need to live in poverty if your goal is SLA.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VirginIslander, I have used the spanishabroad.com program. I went to Cusco and spent a month living with a family. I think you would spend less money if you just showed up and signed up for a class locally. I think by using one of these programs you will pay more. As for teaching English and trying to learn Spanish, I think that it is possible as long as you move to a rural area and have no foreign co-workers.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Currently, I am learning Korean but I realize that I will never will acquire fluency.


Stay for 5 years and save $75,000 grand at it and you will speak Korean well and hopefully have a lot invested, which will earn you hopefully at least $7500 a year which would be about the same amount that someone teaching English in Peru or Brazil earns a year.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the others. There are a lot of middlemen out there that are based on cashing in on people's good intentions while contributing nothing. Shop around first, you will probably find a better deal.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If that job is teaching English, you're working against yourself. You may save money, but you'll be spending a massive chunk of time each day using English on the job at the expense of target language study time. Add to that the English-speaking contacts you make on the job and you're not really getting much of an immersion experience.


I would also add that it can be hard developing high level linguistic abilities in a foriegn language unless you undertake some content studies are start reading books in the language. If you just speak it everyday you will become competent in everyday matters but probably will have a hard time discussing anything abstract or philosophical.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote, "...but probably will have a hard time discussing anything abstract or philosophical."

Look, I'll be honest. Since the age of 25, I have spent most of my time avoiding people that speak in the abstract or philisophical, and I mean in my own native language!
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K-in-C



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Heading somewhere

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:49 am    Post subject: Ready Set Go... Reply with quote

Hola,

Here is a starting point for studying in Guatemala. www.xelapages.com

Buenos dia,

tortuga
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VirginIslander



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for suggestions. I lot of your ideas are being taken into careful consideration. I do not like the idea of spending my savings; however, coming from a family of nine, I never really had savings. And, I never had the money to study Spanish abroad. But, I do agree. It is a lot of money and I should not waste it on a flawed program.

JZer I agree with you. Next week I am going to begin a monthly, four hour Spanish course here in Busan. I am going to spend a a lot of time studying Spanish before my departure.

JZer did you enroll in the $800 a month program: six one-on-one classes a day, three meals a day and a homestay. At that rate and in theory, one could live and study for six months for $5,000. That is six hours of spanish practice, plus several hours with a host family and speaking around the city. Compare that to $20,000 to learn in English in the states for six months.

However, I also agree with the Beaver: dont spend all of your time and money in one place. There is 12 week, multi county program that I am looking into. But, it is too expensive and sounds like too much fun and not enough studying.

In regards to Paji eh Wong, by working for a Hagwon, I tacitly agree to the middlemen out there cashing in on people's good intentions. Without them, I would not have my savings. But I see your point.

BJWD, if I had to choose a spanish speaking American city, I would choose Ponce. But I do not know enough Spanish for Puerto Rico. I tried during my layovers on my way to the VI.

Thanks so much for the help,

Bob
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justagirl



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Cheonan/Portland

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was looking to do something similar, I focused on schools in Guatemala.

I found that for 5-days weeks, 5 hours of 1-on-1 study with a Native Speaker, afternoon cultural activities, and weekend sight-seeing, and living with a Guatemalan family, it was about $120-$150 a WEEK.

Guatemala is beautiful--why not look there? I spent a summer translating in Guatemala City and would go back in a heartbeat.
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