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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| sundubuman wrote: |
Question for ya Huff...
Is a 17 year-old a "young boy"? |
Sorry, boy. Or young man, if you want to be kind to the boy's ego.
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| And should a 17-year-old be free to have sex? |
Yes. Should a congressman be free to try and pick up 17-year-old pages? Should the GOP be free to cover up that congressman's activities? I'd say no and no.
Trying to shift the issue on to the Dems is disingenuous. They say all politics is local. Well guess what, all politics is also now. The GOP had their chance to capitalize on Clinton and took it. And now the piper is in the other camp. Meanwhile, the GOP hench squad is trying to avert the attention of the American people from the real issue: A "champion" of child safety preying on vulnurable boys while the GOP leaders look the other way. That is the issue. Plain and simple. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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no that's not the issue. Congressional pages tend to be very intelligent, ambitious, political, well-connected, and eager to gain access to those "in power".
Show me one example of where Foley persisted in these IM's after which time he was told to stop. I've read a few and it seems like he was being egged on.
Imagine if IM's were standard fare back in Monica's time...and reread EVERYTHING Foley typed while imagining it as Clinton's horny MESSAGES to Monica......who talked to him about her throbbing va-gi-na. Would he have stepped down from office had this come to light? Or would he have been seen as a weak-willed victim of internet technology???
Where the F...u...c...k is the scandal here?????? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:02 am Post subject: |
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no that's not the issue. Congressional pages tend to be very intelligent, ambitious, political, well-connected, and eager to gain access to those "in power".
Show me one example of where Foley persisted in these IM's after which time he was told to stop. I've read a few and it seems like he was being egged on.
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Sundubuman:
Would you be making the same argument if it were a high school teacher, sending lurid e-mails to particularly ambitious 16-year-old students? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
| no that's not the issue. Congressional pages tend to be very intelligent, ambitious, political, well-connected, and eager to gain access to those "in power". |
Which is exactly why it is so wrong.
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| Show me one example of where Foley persisted in these IM's after which time he was told to stop. I've read a few and it seems like he was being egged on. |
So Foley's the victim now? He shouldn't have even been in a position to be told to stop.
Again, what's with trying to pin Foley's actions on Clinton? The GOP had their chance to take advantage of Clinton's actions and did. And now it's over, a done deal. Clinton is no longer around to blame. The GOP should accept the consequences of their own actions wrt Foley and move on. It's just too bad for them that it happened only one month before the election. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: |
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no that's not the issue. Congressional pages tend to be very intelligent, ambitious, political, well-connected, and eager to gain access to those "in power".
Show me one example of where Foley persisted in these IM's after which time he was told to stop. I've read a few and it seems like he was being egged on.
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Sundubuman:
Would you be making the same argument if it were a high school teacher, sending lurid e-mails to particularly ambitious 16-year-old students? |
probably.....but the difference is this is a MANUFACTURED scandal (in its timing) which aims to subvert the public's opinion just a month b4 a national election....
If this thing didn't have even the slighest potential to hurt the Republicans....NONE of you would be nearly as worked up over it....
Ask yourselves...if this story (sat on for years by Dems) was to be blown in December....would you be able to motivate yourselves enough to pontificate about how sleazy are those evil Republicans who send IM MESSAGES to 17 year-olds??????
wake up and get a platform already......your coalition of special interests will hardly rally around a 17 year-old who talks about his hard-on..... |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Sundubuman:
Would you be making the same argument if it were a high school teacher, sending lurid e-mails to particularly ambitious 16-year-old students? |
probably..... |
Are you serious? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| If Foley WASN'T breaking any laws, what exactly could the GOP leadership have done, besides asking him to stop? |
For one, Tom DeLay could have called him into his office, closed the door and torn him a new one.
Two, they could have removed, or at least threatened to remove, him from his significant committee assignments. They could have insisted he go into rehab at the time. They could have seen to it that the gears of government turn exceedingly slow for any requests for constituent services that came out of his office. His pet bills and projects could have been shifted down the calendar.
Whether the guy actually broke laws or not, he was engaging in risky and highly unethical behavior and both he and the party leadership knew it. What he was doing was potentially damaging to the party's reputation. The party leadership had purely political reasons, completely aside from ethical reasons, to do something and failed. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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probably.....but the difference is this is a MANUFACTURED scandal (in its timing) which aims to subvert the public's opinion just a month b4 a national election.... |
To paraphrase, you can't make a sow's ear out of a silk purse. If the GOP had taken care of the problem, there would be no scandal to manufacture. Don't blame the Dems for taking advantage of the situation. Blame Foley and the GOP leadership who had a(nother) complete lapse in ethics.
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| If this thing didn't have even the slighest potential to hurt the Republicans....NONE of you would be nearly as worked up over it.... |
Unlike the GOP, who would never try to take advantage of such a situation. Riiiiiggghhhttt. You're only problem is that the Dems are making an issue out of it. While consistently trying to remake an issue out of Clinton/Monica. How is that not hypocrisy? |
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