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ChuckECheese
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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| ChuckECheese wrote: |
| Neil wrote: |
| I would think in the event of a second Korean war the US army would have slightly more pressing concerns than babysitting a load of ESL teachers (of any nationality). |
In the event of war, rest assured that one of the most important US military's job is to protect its citizens first. |
Baby sitting huh? Here is the Evacuation Control Center list for AMERICANS from the US embassy website.
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Area 1
Camp Casey, Tongduchon
Camp Howze, Bongiljung
Camp Page, Chunchon
Camp Red Cloud, Uijongbu
Area 2
Three Civilian Sites South of the Han, currently:
Seoul Combined Sports Stadium
Mokdong Ice Rink
Kyonggi Boys High School (near Intercontinental Hotel)
*Yongsan Army Garrison South Post, Yongsan, Seoul
*Hannam Village, Hannam-dong, Seoul
*Note: These US bases will probably close early and will not accept evacuees not associated with the U.S. government.
Area 3
Camp Humphreys, Pyongtaek
Camp Eagle, Wonju
Area 4
Camp George, Taegu
Camp Carroll, Woegwan
Camp Hialeah, Pusan
Chinhae Naval Base, Chinhae
Area 5
Osan Air Base
Area 6
Kunsan Air Base |
Here's what the Canadian embassy say.
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| ** The Embassy must stress that although a "global agreement" does exist between the Canadian and U.S. governments to assist one another in times of crisis, there is no specific agreement pertaining to Korea. The understanding is that USFK (United States Forces Korea) and U.S. Embassy personnel will take care of U.S. nationals first, and nationals of other countries with which they have "global agreements", second, should their resources permit this. Should Canadian nationals proceed to an American military facility for assistance at the time of a crisis, they must exercise patience, and be prepared to wait until American citizens have been dealt with. It is this fact that should encourage all Canadians in Korea to react early to deteriorating political, military or other situations on the peninsula, and arrange for their own and their dependents early departure via commercial transport. |
These U.S. military bases will accept other nationals, but Americans and their pets have the priority.  |
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nasigoreng
Joined: 14 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I guess when Canada rescued the seven American embassy workers in 1978 when Iran stormed the gates we shoulda just told them to flake off. I mean really!!! What responsibility did we have...the nerve of them for being our allies and all.
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Just a little bit more complicated arranging transportation for thousands [of Canadians] as opposed to putting 7 people on a plane. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Gee, things don't look so bad from Miami!
It always struck me as ironic that I lived in Miami for the Cuban Missile Crisis, and then I was just as close to North Korea for years, about the same distance that I lived from Cuba.
When it comes to nukes- if they start flying, we are all done for in some way. I would stay in Korea, if I were there, and wouldn't hesitate to take a job there now, if I wanted to. I expect that if the fearful flee, it will be a better bargaining position for the brave.
All of that being said, I would rather have a lot less money in Korean banks and investments at the moment. If this causes an "IMF" sort of crisis, it would take years to recover position. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't do much until the Dependents start being evacuated. If and when that happens-get the hell out of Dodge ASAP!!! |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't do much until the Dependents start being evacuated. If and when that happens-get the hell out of Dodge ASAP!!! |
I still wouldn't trust that. It could be used to give the North the impression that a strike is or isn't imminent. |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| nasigoreng wrote: |
| ThePoet wrote: |
I guess when Canada rescued the seven American embassy workers in 1978 when Iran stormed the gates we shoulda just told them to flake off. I mean really!!! What responsibility did we have...the nerve of them for being our allies and all.
Poet |
Just a little bit more complicated arranging transportation for thousands [of Canadians] as opposed to putting 7 people on a plane. |
Are you that uninformed? The Canadian embassy had to procure Canadian passports and develop whole new identities for those seven people including embassy and consular employment documents which had forged Iranian stamps on them. The Canadians delayed their exit for a couple months from Iran (thus endangering themselves more) so as to get the americans to seamlessly fit into their staff operations so it looked like they had been there for a long time. They had to do runs to and from local places and put themselves at risk to see if there was any suspicion raised about the "extra" staff in the Canadian Embassy.
It was a heck of a lot more complicated than just saying "ok, you're here, lets head over to the airplane now."
I understand completely that airlifting thousands of civilians (American, Canadian, British, Australian, etc, etc,) is a huge tactical and logistical burden. I, as a Canadian would be grateful and would stand on my head eating blue bubble gum while whistling dixie if there was a necessary evacuation and I was told to do so by an American soldier as part of their processing. However, DO NOT belittle the efforts of other groups who try to help people. Every bit helps.
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jinglejangle
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Location: Far far far away.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| I wouldn't do much until the Dependents start being evacuated. If and when that happens-get the hell out of Dodge ASAP!!! |
I still wouldn't trust that. It could be used to give the North the impression that a strike is or isn't imminent. |
No it wouldn't. If the US starts evacuating dependants it either means that there will be a strike or that there is significant reason to fear other severe problems.
Now, an advisory to US citizens to get out might not be so reliable, but if the military goes to the expense of moving out all of it's dependents, there will be a good reason for it. |
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jinglejangle
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Location: Far far far away.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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And I'll weigh in on the US/Canada thingy by saying that I suspect Canadian citizens could reasonably expect some accomodations from the US if a war broke out.
I suspect it would be a bit of a hassle and a wait, but in the event that artillery starts kicking, do you really want to try joining the flood of refugees heading south? You've all seen Chuseok/Seolal traffic footage. This would be worse because you'd also have lanes being closed down to make room for northbound military traffic, and a lot of people would be scared, not to mention angry and looking for someone to blame. That's all even if the DPRK was NOT also sending chemical artillery against the road network, which I suspect they would be. In that case you would also have mass stampedes, mass casualty situations, long cross country detours to avoid contaminated areas, etc.
Even getting to the airports, Incheon harbor, etc would likely be far from a picnic in that situation.
Point being, if you live in Busan or Gwangju, well and good, you probably have some time to play with. If you live in Seoul/Incheon/Anyang/Suwon though, I would seriously consider heeding any Government travel alerts.
Either way good luck. I rather doubt it will come to all this anyway. |
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