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Korean Won and Stock Market are Slipping
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Emptying your account and buying dollars is a real mistake. The only thing your going to do by doing that is drive the exchange rate up.

Stupid, stupid, stupid


Yeah right. Cool

You'll feel stupid when *beep* hits the fan and all banks fail to open the next day. I rather be safe than sorry.

I hope nothing will happen, but the way things are spinning at this point, you never know.

Besides, let say if nothing happened, how much do you think the dollar will fall against won? The exchange rate has bottomed out. The most economists have said that the normal rate should be above 1000.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid MDave hasn't really a clue.

A bunch of 2g/month English teachers changing over their savings isn't going to do jack to the FXmarket. 1.6 trillion dollars a day moves around the worlds FX markets, ya'll are a drop in the drop of the bucket. Protect your savings and do the rational thing. Even a 1.5% drop is money you worked hard for that is just gone. Poof!

The won is going to get hammered over this. There will be dips and recoveries, but the end will be a less valuable currency, which means less real value for those who hold it. Get out get out get out get out of the won.

The question isn't will it decline (it already has) or will the decline hold over the medium-run (it will) but how bad will the decline be? And that depends on George W. Bush and Kim. Not two guys I want my savings riding on.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
If the U.S. troops were not here, Kim Jung Il would possibly invade.


uh yeah sure. and why would he do that?
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
Adventurer wrote:
If the U.S. troops were not here, Kim Jung Il would possibly invade.


uh yeah sure. and why would he do that?


Why did North Korea originally invade the South?
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

totally different circumstances. the koreas were more equal then, North Korea had the support of both China and the USSR, and it probably figured the USA wouldn't get involved.

I mean yes, it would be to unite the peninsula, but I think KJI and his associates aren't that dumb and ignorant to think it is possible.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think too many are crediting Kim Jong Il and the entire North Korean regime with a rational-actor mindset that has clearly only been arrived at by wishful thinking.

The bottom line is this: it is not clear at all where this is going to end up. And Kim is a far more unknown and unpredictable than a known and predictable quantity. And now he apparently has thermonuclear weapons at his disposal.

So we need to remember that sometimes leaders do things and lead people into wars that make no sense whatsoever. (And, not you Bucheon, but to the mob: please do not pounce on me for saying this and start screaming about W. Bush and Iraq because that is exactly what I had in mind when I wrote this. Please get ahold of yourselves for just a nanosecond and see that this problem applies quite generally in world affairs -- this has been a preemptive strike by gopher.)
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:

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So we need to remember that sometimes leaders do things and lead people into wars that make no sense whatsoever. (And, not you Bucheon, but to the mob: please do not pounce on me for saying this and start screaming about W. Bush and Iraq because that is exactly what I had in mind when I wrote this. Please get ahold of yourselves for just a nanosecond and see that this problem applies quite generally in world affairs -- this has been a preemptive strike by gopher.)


Mr G, your sense of humour is really rather good. Well done. Cool
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Emptying your account and buying dollars is a real mistake. The only thing your going to do by doing that is drive the exchange rate up.

Stupid, stupid, stupid


Yes. What's reassuring is that most Koreans aren't stupid enough to do that mistake twice.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The won today:

Cash Buying Selling

1USD 977.10 943.50

1EUR 1233.17 1185.05
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
The won today:

Cash Buying Selling

1USD 977.10 943.50

1EUR 1233.17 1185.05


Better than before the blast, isn't it? That's pretty odd. Maybe investors see this as a the dying breathe of the North Korean regime, regardless of whether they think the test was real or not.
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Xian



Joined: 08 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Dollar climbs up as won takes a knock
LONDON: The dollar edged higher against the euro here yesterday while the yen and the South Korean won came under pressure following the announcement of North Korea's nuclear test.The single European...


Continued at the large site with info on NK.
http://www.nkoreadaily.com/

Contains some links that may interest some people.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the last 30 days, at midday NY time 9 October.



Doesn't look much of a hit to me.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wait a few days/weeks and then look at the graphs. There will be a decline but the question is how much and for how long.

And if it wasn't a nuke, than expect the markets to return to normal a few days after confirmation of this.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
Just wait a few days/weeks and then look at the graphs. There will be a decline but the question is how much and for how long.

And if it wasn't a nuke, than expect the markets to return to normal a few days after confirmation of this.


You fancy shorting the KRW?
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea. If it wasn't a nuke then all will be normal. If it was a nuke and a navel blockade happens, then all bets are off. If it was a nuke and Bush (gasp!) wants to negotiate then I dunno.

There will be less investment capital heading in, and more foreign and Korean capital heading out due to the instability. Clearly, this will affect GDP growth and the BOK must respond accordingly with interest rate changes. But, the BOK doesn't use inflation rate targeting so it is hard to tell just what they will do, as there is very little transparency.

The first shock is FXtraders trying to capitalize on the situation, and I think that will stabilize quickly (if it already hasn't). The long term question is (if it was a nuke) what 1) The BOK does 2) Bush/Hu/Roh do and how this affects FDI and FX flows.

I assume it likely was some kind of nuke and that Bush being Bush we will have some interesting times ahead of us. If I held any Won, I would be selling now, now that the FXtraders are finished having their fun.
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