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Scaggs
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 Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: What is the deal with work hours? |
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Hi all,
I am looking around at job listings and emails and stuff, and finding that many of them say work 30 hours/week or 120 hours/month ... only to list the hours as Monday-Friday 9-5, Monday-Friday 10-6, Monday-Friday 10-5 ... I am trying to read these correctly -- anyone give some insight? I know to avoid split shifts, but ttrying to figure out beyond that what is what? I can see lunch hour not counting? But what about the 8 hour days?
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Michael |
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Alias77
Joined: 28 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| If the times aren't specifically listed as a 6 hour block, you might have an hour or more of dead time between classes. Public schools are set up this way. This is just my understanding from my research. I haven't started a position yet. I think a split shift is technically when you are requested to work from (for ex:) 9:30am to 12:30, then 6pm to 9pm - which obviously cuts your day up pretty nasty. I'm sure there's a way to make use of the split shift phenomenon, but until I see that golden opportunity, I wouldn't touch a splitter. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Work hours on your contract have no correlation to how much time you'll actually spend at school. I'm contracted for 22 hours / week, spend about 50 hours a week at school on average, actually teach 0-21 hours a week, and do 0-10 hours of extra-curricular stuff per week. |
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Alias77
Joined: 28 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum,
At what point does your overtime kick in then? Right after the 22? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:36 am Post subject: Re: What is the deal with work hours? |
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| Scaggs wrote: |
Hi all,
I am looking around at job listings and emails and stuff, and finding that many of them say work 30 hours/week or 120 hours/month ... only to list the hours as Monday-Friday 9-5, Monday-Friday 10-6, Monday-Friday 10-5 ... I am trying to read these correctly -- anyone give some insight? I know to avoid split shifts, but ttrying to figure out beyond that what is what? I can see lunch hour not counting? But what about the 8 hour days?
Thanks,
Michael |
The 30 hours per week or 120 hours per month refer to your classroom or contact hours NOT your time in the school. Add in your prep time, breaks and extra "duties" and you are up over 40 hours per week.
This is a bit misleading because of the way class hours are calculated is different from hakwon to hakwon.
In a public school you are scheduled for 22-25 classes per week of 40 minutes duration but you will be in the school for 40 hours per week.
In a hakwon 30 class hours can mean 30 classes of 40 minutes, 45 minutes, 50 minutes OR it can mean 30 HOURS of contact time.
This is often a cause of contention between teachers and their hakwons.
Make sure you clearly understand BEFORE you sign the contract exactly how that 30 hours is interpreted.
The differences can be extreme.
30 classes of 40 minutes = 1200 minutes in front of the class every week BUT
30 hours of contact time is 1800 minutes in front of the class every week. That is a difference of 10 hours per week standing in front of your classes.
1800 minutes divided into 40 minute classes can be as many as 45 classes per week + prep time (up to 180 classes per month).
Compare that to a poor public school teacher who spends 880 minutes in front of the class each week and has time for prep as well as the other perks that most hakwons ignore. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum,
At what point does your overtime kick in then? Right after the 22? |
I get paid a little extra (well, quite well, actually) for an extra evening class I teach. Apart from that, no OT. I once stayed til 10pm on a Friday helping with an extra 'English Camp', and I've come in on a few Saturdays to help students with uni interviews, none of which Koreans would consider 'overtime'. I don't care - I'm happy with my monthly salary, work conditions, and students. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Alias77 wrote: |
Yu_Bum,
At what point does your overtime kick in then? Right after the 22? |
Public school teachers get the overtime rate for each class above 22 per week. The rate is (depending on the school and your level) is between 20 and 25k per CLASS. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| Alias77 wrote: |
Yu_Bum,
At what point does your overtime kick in then? Right after the 22? |
Public school teachers get the overtime rate for each class above 22 per week. The rate is (depending on the school and your level) is between 20 and 25k per CLASS. |
Public school teachers usually get overtime for each class above whatever was on their regular 8.30-5.00pm schedule at the start of term. The rate can be (depending on the school and whether you still get paid for classes that get cancelled) anything and everything. |
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