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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:06 am Post subject: Gulf Arab cash to bolster Lebanese army |
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Gulf Arab cash to bolster Lebanese army
By Roula Khalaf, Middle East Editor
Published: October 8 2006 22:15 | Last updated: October 8 2006 22:15
With US blessing, Gulf Arab states are promising financial help for Lebanon�s armed forces in the aftermath of the war between Israel and Hizbollah.
Strengthening the 50,000-strong but poorly equipped Lebanese army is crucial to efforts to stabilise the country and eventually convince Hizbollah to disarm.
The Shia group argues its military wing is needed to defend Lebanon in the absence of a strong army and that it would only discuss disarmament as part of a broader defence strategy for the country.
According to Gulf officials, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have promised to finance the army�s needs. Officials in Beirut say the shopping list includes helicopters, tanks and missiles, all designed for defensive purposes.
Lebanon has yet to cost its needs but some politicians say urgent requirements could amount to $800m (�615m, �425m).
As part of the ceasefire agreement that ended the war, the Lebanese army has deployed in southern Lebanon and in border areas, along with UN peacekeepers. But the military reached an understanding with Hizbollah that the group would conceal its weapons in the buffer zone.
No one expects the army to turn against Hizbollah and disarm it by force. Officials say a confrontation could well split the armed forces, composed of Sunni and Shia Muslims and Christians, and provoke a civil war. But strengthening the army�s decades-old equipment would bolster the government�s hand.
Nawaf Obaid, a Saudi security analyst and government adviser, said Saudi Arabia would probably be willing to spend several hundred millions of dollars in military aid to Lebanon, above the $1.7bn it has pledged for reconstruction.
A Gulf official said the UAE was committed to providing equipment but it would either be purchased by Abu Dhabi itself and transferred to Lebanon or the UAE would upgrade existing Lebanese equipment.
The US had until recently discouraged efforts to strengthen the army, which was under the control of Syria. Last year, however, Syrian troops were forced to leave Lebanon after the killing of Rafiq Hariri, the former premier.
�No one would sell us equipment in the past but over the past year there were some discussions with the US and Arab states about funding,� says a Lebanese politician close to the government. �The US wasn�t quite convinced that the army had been freed of Syrian infiltration. But now it seems the US does see the need for the army to be rehabilitated to enforce the UN ceasefire resolution.�
Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, said last week she had discussed with Saudi officials the need to support the �rearming and reform� of Lebanon�s armed forces. The US has earmarked $42m for military assistance, out of a $240m aid package, compared with its usual yearly contributions of $1.9m.
Additional reporting by Ferry Biedermann in Beirut |
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Zoobot

Joined: 25 Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: |
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cool, now the US is doing the "make money off both sides of the war" thing they did before they joined the war in WWII. Damn war is good business.
"aid package" basically means "we own your asses." |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: |
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No one expects the army to turn against Hizbollah and disarm it by force. Officials say a confrontation could well split the armed forces, composed of Sunni and Shia Muslims and Christians, and provoke a civil war. But strengthening the army�s decades-old equipment would bolster the government�s hand.
Nawaf Obaid, a Saudi security analyst and government adviser, said Saudi Arabia would probably be willing to spend several hundred |
In other words, the Sunni's don't want the dominant military force in Lebanon to be Shiite any longer. Can't say I blame them. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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No one expects the army to turn against Hizbollah and disarm it by force. Officials say a confrontation could well split the armed forces, composed of Sunni and Shia Muslims and Christians, and provoke a civil war. But strengthening the army�s decades-old equipment would bolster the government�s hand.
Nawaf Obaid, a Saudi security analyst and government adviser, said Saudi Arabia would probably be willing to spend several hundred |
In other words, the Sunni's don't want the dominant military force in Lebanon to be Shiite any longer. Can't say I blame them. |
The Christians, Sunnis, and Druze of Lebanon are in a political alliance. The majority of Christians support the Sunni Prime Minister, perhaps half of the Sunnis do, and most of the Druze of Lebanon do. In 2005, ex-Prime Minister Rafiq Al Hariri was blown up. He was a citizen of both Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and close to the Saudi Arabian royal family. Saudi Arabia was so incensed with Syria after the assassination. The Gulf states do not like Hezbollah and the Shiite-Syrian Ba'ath axis or alliance. Finally, Hezbollah has stated that one reason it should keep its arms is because there is no other powerful force, and that they are the only ones who can confront Israel, if necessary. So, the U.S. and the Gulf and the Lebanese who believe in neutrality coupled with Lebanese nationalism want a powerful army.
Then, the government of Fouad Seniora (PM of Lebanon) can say to Hezbollah "we have a powerful army, and we want only one army in this country and there is one state, and it is that of Lebanon". |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| the only thing is shiites dominate the army, so it is sympathetic to hizballah. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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the only thing is shiites dominate the army, so it is sympathetic to hizballah.
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Interesting. Catch 22 situation. |
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cwemory

Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Location: Gunpo, Korea
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Zoobot wrote: |
| cool, now the US is doing the "make money off both sides of the war" thing they did before they joined the war in WWII. |
The US also "(made) money off both sides off war" during the Lebanese Civil War, didn't they? |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:04 am Post subject: |
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the only thing is shiites dominate the army, so it is sympathetic to hizballah.
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Interesting. Catch 22 situation. |
Actually, that is not true. The army is not dominated by the Shiites. The population of Lebanon is 35% Christian, 25%Sunni 35% Shiite, 5% Druze. All must serve the military. The fear is that the Shiite elements and some of the Sunnis would split from the army in the conflict. In Lebanon, 54% of population want Hezbollah disarmed, but it needs to be about 60-65% in my opinion. If very few of the Sunnis sympathized with Hezbollah, than they would be under more pressure. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: |
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a) you're only required to serve 6 months.
b) the shia are 40% of the armed forces. That's a bigger % than what they have in the general population.
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An internal Lebanese army statement, circulated among forces in the past week, has called for troops to stand "alongside your resistance and your people who astonished the world with its steadfastness and destroyed the prestige of the so-called invincible army after it was defeated".
The circular has alarmed ministers in the Lebanese cabinet who had been calling for the army to disarm Hizbullah.
It will also fuel the concerns of Israel, the US and the UN security council that the Lebanese army is incapable of securing the south of the country, adding increased urgency to the calls for a multinational force to be swiftly deployed. |
Guardian article |
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Adventurer

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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: |
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a) you're only required to serve 6 months.
b) the shia are 40% of the armed forces. That's a bigger % than what they have in the general population.
wikipedia
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An internal Lebanese army statement, circulated among forces in the past week, has called for troops to stand "alongside your resistance and your people who astonished the world with its steadfastness and destroyed the prestige of the so-called invincible army after it was defeated".
The circular has alarmed ministers in the Lebanese cabinet who had been calling for the army to disarm Hizbullah.
It will also fuel the concerns of Israel, the US and the UN security council that the Lebanese army is incapable of securing the south of the country, adding increased urgency to the calls for a multinational force to be swiftly deployed. |
Guardian article |
You demonstrated that they are not the majority, and you reiterated my argument that the army could split along sectarian lines. This could include some of the Sunni elements. I would say, however, the Lebanese army is still loyal to the state, and Prime Minister has to play his cards correctly. As far as soldiers passing out circulars, their orders are to disarm anyone, whether Lebanese or Palestinian, carrying weapons in public. If they do not comply, then they are not fulfillying their oath of loyalty to the state, because these are their orders. Building Lebanese solidarity will take time.
However, back in 2003 the majority of Lebanese did not call for a Syrian withdrawal. This was voiced more by the Christians and some of the Druze, and more Druze and Christians increased their opposition and many Sunnis joined in and the opposition had serious meat. However, without getting more Shiites to join the opposition, Hezbollah will carry too much weight to the detriment of Lebanon. Some Shiite religious leaders have criticized Hezbollah; these are often non-Iran backed Shiite leaders like the mufti of Tyre (equivalent of a Bishop/Archbishop).
There is cause for both optimism and alarm. |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Can't they donate the cash to those poor starving palestinians instead? |
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