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aristotle84
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 Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: YES Youngdo or E-Bo-Young??? |
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I received an offer to teach from the YES Youngdo school today. This is for the Jukjeon campus, which is outside of Seoul. Has anyone ever worked for YES Youngdo and know if they are a good school to work for?
THe contract the recruiter gave me needs a bit of tweaking; their pay is 2.0million Won for 4-10 working hours. I'm a bit skeptical, but my only other offer is from E-Bo-Young in Hanam City. After hearing about AndrewMo and his problems in Busan I'm not so sure e-bo-young is so legit, although my recruiter keeps telling me it's an excellent school. For some readon I don't believe him.
If you've heard about EITHER school please provide insight and wisdom!! HELLLLPPP!!! Thanks. |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: YES Youngdo or E-Bo-Young??? |
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| aristotle84 wrote: |
I received an offer to teach from the YES Youngdo school today. This is for the Jukjeon campus, which is outside of Seoul. Has anyone ever worked for YES Youngdo and know if they are a good school to work for?
THe contract the recruiter gave me needs a bit of tweaking; their pay is 2.0million Won for 4-10 working hours. I'm a bit skeptical, but my only other offer is from E-Bo-Young in Hanam City. After hearing about AndrewMo and his problems in Busan I'm not so sure e-bo-young is so legit, although my recruiter keeps telling me it's an excellent school. For some readon I don't believe him.
If you've heard about EITHER school please provide insight and wisdom!! HELLLLPPP!!! Thanks. |
This is a no brainer. Youngdo is in a better location. Youngdo has a better curriculum and more organized management. The students at Youngdo will be above average. Youngdo pays on time.
I worked at an E-Bo Young in Seoul and their curriculum was horrible. I was expected to prepare 3 hours a day to compensate for the horrible books they have. Also, the management there was so disorganized (no breaks between classes!, always changing the curriculum, incompetent Korean teachers, etc.) My last three paychecks were 2-3 days late. Most importantly, my director was mentally unstable and would come into my classes to critisize my WHILE I was teaching. Finally, their 2 day training is a useless waste of time in which they tell you about their error-full irrelevant textbooks.
Good luck! |
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soviet_man
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Most YES Youngdo branches have about 10-15 foreign teachers. So maybe ask to speak to one of the current teachers from that branch and ask what conditions are like. Jukjeon is in Gyeonggi so it is in the far outer-suburban area.
All YES Youngdo branches (and there are a lot of them) are all centrally owned and managed and the youngest students 3rd grade elementary or above.
With E-Bo Young - I've never heard of them. I don't think they are very big or well known. So ask whether it is a franchise or centrally-owned. (If it is a franchise the owner could make up their own rules and run it however they wanted). Also ask how many foreign teachers work at that branch - that could be another useful guide to the size/stability of the company. |
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Gamecock
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Keep in mind that at Youngdo your teaching hours are from 4-10, but you are required to be at the school at 2 for prep time. So in reality you work from 2-10 every day. |
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aristotle84
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Gamecock wrote: |
| Keep in mind that at Youngdo your teaching hours are from 4-10, but you are required to be at the school at 2 for prep time. So in reality you work from 2-10 every day. |
Yea, thats what Im afraid of... 2-10 for YES Youngdo compared to 2-9 for e-bo-young...what do i dooooooo?????????? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| aristotle84 wrote: |
| Gamecock wrote: |
| Keep in mind that at Youngdo your teaching hours are from 4-10, but you are required to be at the school at 2 for prep time. So in reality you work from 2-10 every day. |
Yea, thats what Im afraid of... 2-10 for YES Youngdo compared to 2-9 for e-bo-young...what do i dooooooo?????????? |
How about doing the smart thing and checking FIRST HAND instead of just heresay here.
The usual caveats apply - especially with places like "e-bo-young"
Check, check, check with MORE than ONE of the current staff about conditions at that particular branch.
ASK SPECIFICALLY - and get good answers about:
+PAY, overtime (do they pay it or avoid it with creative book keeping).
+CLASSES - how many per day / week / month. How long is a class and +WHAT IS A CLASS HOUR. A contract that says 120 hours can have you doing up to 180 x 40 minute classes (7200 contact minutes) per month for the same money as someone doing 120 x 50 minute classes (6000 contact minutes per month)
---(10 hours per month more time in front of the students for the same money).
+Do they really pay into the pension and national medical?
+Do they do taxes properly or just flat rate you at 3.3 or 5% (illegal but often done - money is usually not remitted to the tax man)
+What is the housing like and what do they pay for? Your free apartment can cost you up to 150k or more won per month (not really free).
+Holidays - are they blocked time off or just single days scattered throughout the year.
+Will they PREPAY a 1 year open airticket ticket? Don't settle for less. |
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aristotle84
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| u make a good point, i'll try to contact the teachers themselves |
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lasagna
Joined: 25 Sep 2006
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| listen to ttompatz. i cant vouch for e bo young talking club. i havent even taught a class yet. as far as managers/directors of the school go, that's just a case by case basis, and honestly it's hard to know either way until you've spent some time with them to get a feel for how honest they are. As far as the contract goes, I am inexperienced, but i think that contracts change alot, so don't take anything in them as concrete, at least from my experience. so my only advice? listen to your gut, and take your time. |
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lasagna
Joined: 25 Sep 2006
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| Ah another thing, as far as E Bo Young's curriculum is concerned, it's a little hard to understand, and might be a little all over the place, but I don't know if this is just because many Korean texts like this are kind of convoluted, or if it's just EBY Talking Club. It doesn't explain everything totally, but I feel like that's a problem for the school to deal with, and I'll do my best to teach what curriculum they have. |
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