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aristotle84
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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 Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: HELLLPPPPP!!!!! i do not want to fight north koreans! |
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Please help with my current situation! I have scoured the forums and even called the Boston Consulate but even they gave me very shady information about getting an F-4. I am hoping one of you has gone through this process and can help.
About me:
1. 21, born in the great USA (of korean descent)
2. my name IS in family registry in korea
3. father is american citizen (he is korean), dunno if that matters
4. afraid of getting F-4 and then getting my a$$ shipped out to korean military
questions i hope ya'll can help me out with
1. can i still renounce/take away my name from korean registry even if i am 21 years old?
2. if so, where do i go do that and what is process?
3. once i have renounced my citizenship, what exact docs do i need to apply for F-4? if u can provide info if i need originals or if copies are okay, that would be great
if anyone can help i will be greatly indebted. unfortunately even the lady at the boston consulate didn't know!! thanks!
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DHC
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: F-4 Visa |
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Yes , if you are registered in your family's registration book , you are considered a Korean citizen. You should contact someone in your Korean family here to see how you go about removing yourself from having citizenship. Laws have recently changed. It is possible that you cannot renounce Korean citizenship until after military service. If that is the case , you will risk military induction if you come to Korea.
You can also consult the US State Dept. Make sure that you get reliable information from a reliable source before coming to Korea. |
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aristotle84
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| with the current north korean situation, i would not want to be drafted!!! |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| aristotle84 wrote: |
| with the current north korean situation, i would not want to be drafted!!! |
After the incidents with the ball players and movie stars, you can no longer renounce your citizenship simply to avoid your military service.
If you come here on an F4 or even an E2 (if they find out you are a citizen) you will be drafted and the US state department cannot help you out of it.
South Korea does NOT recognize dual citizens and you will be considered a citizen of Korea.
The only POSSIBLE way out of it is if BOTH of your parents (I assumed they were both Korean) formally renounced their Korean citizenship (at a Korean consulate) BEFORE your coming of age. If they did NOT do that then you are subject to the draft until you reach age 34. |
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aristotle84
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| ic ic, but there are many korean-americans who are in the same situation in me (i assume) who come to korea to visit and also teach english, but they're not drafted... |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry dude, but why the heck would you trust a bunch of internet jockeys over what the Korean consulate tells you? And if you don't like their answer, why not call the Korean embassy in Washington, or immigration here in Seoul???? Trusting the fools on this board with something like this is just plain stupid!
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| aristotle84 wrote: |
| ic ic, but there are many korean-americans who are in the same situation in me (i assume) who come to korea to visit and also teach english, but they're not drafted... |
Then jump on a plane and take your chances, but use an E2 instead of an F4. Less chance of getting caught and drafted.
Also you have to remember that the rules were changed about a year or so ago after a bunch of movie stars and ball players were discovered to have used renounciation of their citizenship and acquisition of US citizenship to avoid their military service.
The US embassy gives a warning to those US citizens of Korean ancestory to be sure that they are NOT listed on the family register or they will be drafted when they get here.
I think the best example was a US soldier who was stationed here and was listed on his family register. He was drafted into the Korean service even though he was in the US service and the US government couldn't help him.
Like I said before, IF you parents had formally renounced their Korean citizenship you can avoid the draft.
If they did not, you will be drafted. Stay home.
The following is quoted from the US embassy website:
http://seoul.usembassy.gov/dual.html
Korean Nationality
Laws establishing one's claim to citizenship can be complex, and differ significantly from country to country. For information on other possible claims of nationality you should direct your queries to the appropriate country's embassy or representatives. This includes instances where your American Citizen child has a Korean parent. The child may have acquired Korean nationality at birth, though the final determination would rest with the Korean authorities. Begin by contacting the Korean government's Department of Nationality of the Immigration Bureau at 02-653-0462 (Korean language only).
The Government of the Republic of Korea does not permit dual citizenship after the age of 21. American citizens of Korean descent who hold dual citizenship under South Korean law and work or study in South Korea are usually compelled by the Republic of Korea to choose one or the other nationality soon after reaching that age.
In addition, South Korean men over the age of 18, including American citizens of Korean descent, are subject to compulsory military service. A dual national may not be allowed to abandon his ROK nationality until he finishes his military service, or has received a special exemption from military service. There have been several instances in which young American men of Korean descent, who were born and lived all of their lives in the United States, arrived in the ROK for a tourist visit only to find themselves drafted into the South Korean army.
Americans of Korean descent may request further information from the nearest South Korean Embassy or Consulate before visiting Korea.
In the U.S., contact the Embassy of the Republic of Korea at 2320 Massachusetts Avenue N.W., Washington, D.C. 20008, telephone (202) 939-5660/63 or online. There are South Korean consulates in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Guam, Honolulu, Houston, Miami, New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle.
For American Citizen Services (ACS) inquiries, please e-mail us at: [email protected].
The basic information on American Citizen Services may also be obtained by calling 02-397-4114. Our FAX number is 02-397-4101.
This is an official U.S. Government source for information on the WWW. Inclusion of non-U.S. Government links or information does not imply endorsement of contents.
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm...therefore it seems that you'd like to enjoy all the benefits of being in Korea under a f4 but don't want to be liable to actually do anything for your country. Here's a suggestion, don't bother coming...problem solved
FREELOADER!
Better yet...move to Canada!  |
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aristotle84
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
Hmmm...therefore it seems that you'd like to enjoy all the benefits of being in Korea under a f4 but don't want to be liable to actually do anything for your country. Here's a suggestion, don't bother coming...problem solved
FREELOADER!
Better yet...move to Canada! |
Hey man, whatever I can do to get by in life barring anything illegal. By the way, Korea hasn't done a damn thing for me. I'm an American through and through. |
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ArbiterXL
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
Location: Mississippi
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey man, whatever I can do to get by in life barring anything illegal. By the way, Korea hasn't done a damn thing for me. I'm an American through and through. |
1. You should not just want to "get by in life", I think, but whatever it is with you.
2. Whether Korea has done a damn thing for you or not, it is still your country.
3. If you are an American, then prove it. Join our military and help your country out. They need it. You see, us here in America have the best country in the world, but we have paid one hell of a price for it.
In short, though, trust NObody but the Korean Consulate. In the end, what they say goes, not some forum.
Good luck.
Cheers now.
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| The US Constitution, 14th Amendment wrote: |
| All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States[.] |
So who the hell are you to say that he should have to join the US military to prove that he's a real American?
He was born and raised in the USA, and that's not only good enough for this US citizen, it's also good enough for the US government no matter where his family may have immigrated from. Jus solis all the way, baby.
Too bad for the OP that's not also good enough for the ROK government. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: |
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I hope everyone who is criticizing the OP also volunteered for military service intheir home country. 
I did. |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| ArbiterXL wrote: |
3. If you are an American, then prove it. Join our military and help your country out. They need it. You see, us here in America have the best country in the world, but we have paid one hell of a price for it.
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That is absolute bull$hit.
99% of Americans haven't done anything 'for their country' except being born there. One apon a time they said that "Being born an Englishman is winning the lottery of life". The same thing could be said nowadays for happening to have a mother who pops a sprog in the USA. The fact that other people have fought or died for the USA doesn't mean that every person being born there or having citizenship for whatever reason did something for that country.
I don't know about you personally ArbiterXL, but the vast majority of Americans have NOT "paid one hell of a price" for the current hegemony of the USA. They just got lucky being born there.
The same goes for any other Western country; from my own personal life, there is no real reason I should be more priviliged than a person from Rwanda, North Korea, Mongolia or Albania. I got lucky being born in a rich Western country. People in my country's past may well have "paid one hell of a price", but the vast majority of English 'teachers' in Korea did not do the same for their country.
If you personally did a lot to make America what it is today ArbiterXL then I salute you, but most of your fellow American English teachers here haven't done anything more than get lucky where they were born and achieve a degree from a University.
Saying that this guy who happens to have parents from Korea should join the American military is crap unless you are also encouraging every other single American person under the age of 40 or so to also join. I assume you personally have put in a good 10 or 20 years in the military, or perhaps made a very profitable scientific discovery or otherwise helped the USA in some huge way. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: |
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2. Whether Korea has done a damn thing for you or not, it is still your country.
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On what do you base this?
He has parents of mixed nationality, it should be his choice to what country he belongs, if he says his dad is American and he chooses to be American then he is American, wether or not his mom is Korean
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
I hope everyone who is criticizing the OP also volunteered for military service intheir home country.
I did. |
we don't have it anymore |
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