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North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if
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Junior



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="jinju"]

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The missles cant even make it past Japan and blow up 40 seconds after taking off.


They aborted the missile on purpose dude. Do you really think they would fly the thing through the airspace of multiple countries? They checked that it worked Ok, before blowing it up.

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even under perfectly controlled conditions the nukes they have are duds with a yield of under 1 kiloton?


If they can conduct a small test, then they can do a larger one. Every time they test, they get closer to achieving what they want.

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They have nothing to threaten the US with.


I wouldn't be too sure that their missile is incapable of reaching the US. In any case, experts agree they are closer to producing a weapons- tipped missile.

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The Americans should just send a couple of nuclear subs right off their sea border


You think China will allow a situation to arise where American warships are within sight of them?

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and say "make my day,


just one nuke on an American city would be quite a day indeed.

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but before you can even fire off a single missile,


So The US has a mind reding capability too now? wow.

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jinju



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The missile was aborted? Says who? You? You mean the Norks are afraid of sending a missile through Japan's airspace? Really? Wow, I guess you forgot the Taepodong 1 launch which shot right over Japan. Yeah, the Norks are really, REALLY afraid of that eh?

The bomb was either a dud or not even a nuke. It was of such low yield that it could have very well been a bunch of TNT stuffed in a hole or simply a big bomb. Infact the yield of this "nuke" was not much greater, if we are to believe some analysts, than the large MOAB conventional bombs that the US has. The first thing the Norks said about the test was that it was a success and NO RADIATION LEAKED Out. First, if it was a nuke then it would take far more exprtise than a 3rd world poverty stricken hell hole like NK to contain radiation. My gut feeling is that there was no radiation because TNT doesnt give off any. Simple as that. And if Im wrong, then the yield was ridiculous. IPutting myself into the shoes of a megelomaniac like KJI who ants to be treated equally by a club of countries who LAUGH at sub kiloton weapons, would I make my big statement with such a pathetic little bombette? The only things I can see as logical are that:

a. it was a bunch of TNT stuffed in a hole and meant to look like a nuke (pretty good likelihood)
b. slightly more likely a smaller bomb of about 5-10 kilotons that fizzled out.

As far as China goes, WHAT would China do? Present them with a fait-a-compli and park the subs there. if the Chinese start shit, tell them the subs can just as easily fire on Beijing and Shanghai. China wouldnt do anything more than complain a bit.

And no, the US does not need to be mind readers. They have these magical things called satelites that float up higher than the trees, higher than the birds, higher even that the clouds in this magical world called SPACE which encircles our planet and these magical satelites have magical eyes that can see better even than a hawk or even an eagle (I know, I know it sounds unreal but yes, its true). And these satelites (pronunciation :sa-te-lites) can see all the way down to earth and can even notice a missile parked on a launch pad ready for take off. Simple ultimatum: step back or get it up your fucking ass.
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mateomiguel



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US has no more battleships, just carriers with cruiser/destroyer escorts. The gigantic gun-islands of yore are all gone. They were so majestic too Sad.

Clinton did it.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
and can even notice a missile parked on a launch pad ready for take off.


Were you born after the 1950's at all? because thats when launch pads were replaced by silos. Repeat it after me: S I L O S. Again: "sigh-lows.

No, not for storing your years supply of weetos. For housing and launching nukes from undetected locations. they're all over the world now..in undisclosed locations not seen by sattelites! Amazing really.




Look harder. Can you spot the silo?

Laughing
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jinju



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
jinju wrote:
and can even notice a missile parked on a launch pad ready for take off.


Were you born after the 1950's at all? because thats when launch pads were replaced by silos. Repeat it after me: S I L O S. Again: "sigh-lows.

No, not for storing your years supply of weetos. For housing and launching nukes from undetected locations. they're all over the world now..in undisclosed locations not seen by sattelites! Amazing really.




Look harder. Can you spot the silo?

Laughing


The norks dont have silos you idiot. I can spot the silo in your brain.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
The norks dont have silos


You should quit your hogwon and offer your services to the US govt.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
jinju wrote:
The norks dont have silos


You should quit your hogwon and offer your services to the US govt.


Thanks genius, I quit hagwons over 2 years ago. Too bad for you that you couldnt. That silo in your brain is really telling. I mean you contend seriously that with all the reconnaisance the US has done over NK ovee the last what, 15+ years that they didnt notice silos getting built anywhere. Its like they MAGICALLY appeared out of the thin air, all ready for use with their missiles already in them. And nobody noticed anything, nothing, not a condtruction worker, not a truck delivering the cinstruction equipment or even a missile. I mean I can understand considering how freaing HUGE North Korea is and how little reconnaisance has been done over it.

Btw, thats called sarcasm.

And hey, look up satelites somewhere on wikipedia or something. You might learn something. Or even look up spy planes and other such cool stuff.

That silo in your brain is really bringing your intelligence down, I can see why yer still a haggie jockey.

And hey, I made a ton of typos and spelling mistakes here. Bite me, moron.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is it then the US did not detect the NK nuclear weapons programme?
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jinju



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
How is it then the US did not detect the NK nuclear weapons programme?


they did.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Junior wrote:
How is it then the US did not detect the NK nuclear weapons programme?


they did.


Not. NK told them it had nukes. Until that point there were only guesses as to what was happening.

You overestimate the US surveillance abilities, and underestimate NK's ability to suddenly present the world with a fait accompli achieved in total secrecy. Have you ever considered that US spy sattelites are not constantly over NK? There are gaps between there passage overhead. After the US recieved assurances that Nk would not go nuclear, they were unable to confirm this afterward.

After Nk expelled the IAEA inspectors, the American ability to know what was going on in NK was dramatically reduced.
North Korea received a large shipment of a key chemical solvent needed for reprocessing plutonium - tributyl phosphate - from China. This was undetected and enabled Nk to reprocess spent fuel rods.In theory transportation of those fuel rods in shielded vehicles may be observed by spy satellite or reconnaissance planes like U-2 but they can also be moved undetected. One of the easiest would be to time the transportation with the absence of a prying eye in the sky - the gap in the passage of satellites overhead. This is what happened,of course.

The US failed to detect plutonium making in 1989-90. And then there was the failure to detect the reprocessing of plutonium. The process by which plutonium is extracted from spent fuel results in the release of a gaseous Krypton isotope, but that can only be detected by sensors in the immediate vicinity and not by spy planes at 80,000 feet, nor spy sattelites.

Which is why when Nk suddenly announced they had nuclear weapons 2 years ago, the US had only guesses to rely on.

Perhaps you should stick to snapping shots of passing Korean girls panties.


I realise I've awarded someone of your tiny intellect more credit than deserved, so I won't bother with your "USA could sit in the harbor and point nukes at Beijing" fantasy. Laughing
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Junior



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.intel10oct10,0,6850472.story?coll=bal-pe-asection

U.S. lacks critical details on N. Korean nuclear program
By Siobhan Gorman
sun reporter
October 10, 2006

WASHINGTON // Although the U.S. government believes North Korea has nuclear weapons, major gaps remain in America's understanding of the threat that nuclear program might pose, security and intelligence specialists said yesterday.

Last week, Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee issued a grave warning that "significant information gaps" have left policymakers and intelligence analysts without "critical information" to make judgments about North Korea.

"North Korea is a very opaque society. They have spent 50-plus years making sure that they control information," said Michael Green, a former top White House security adviser on Asia. "So, the intelligence is pretty weak compared to most parts of the world."

Without a U.S. embassy or other presence in the country, there is little opportunity to recruit spies, said Gary Samore, a non-proliferation specialist at the National Security Council during the Clinton administration. "They're very good at hiding things underground," he added.

"It looks like this test was a failure," he said, "but we don't really have a way of knowing that, let alone why that would happen."

If tensions were to escalate, said Samore, the United States would have a hard time assessing how far to go - not knowing North Korea's capabilities.



Maybe you should step in with your specialist knowledge jinju.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
jinju wrote:
Junior wrote:
How is it then the US did not detect the NK nuclear weapons programme?


they did.


Not. NK told them it had nukes. Until that point there were only guesses as to what was happening.



It went something like this:

US: You are breaking th agreement and developing nukes.
NK: No we arent
US: Yes, and heres proof
NK: Ok, we are.
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AbbeFaria



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:

It went something like this:

US: You are breaking th agreement and developing nukes.
NK: No we arent
US: Yes, and heres proof
NK: Ok, we are.


HAHAHA!!

That's just damn funny.

-S-
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior, civilian weather satelites can detect dried up rivers under the Sahara desert and Mayan ruins under layers of dirt deep in the Amazon. Imagine the goodies that the US government has in space.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:

It went something like this:

US: You are breaking th agreement and developing nukes.
NK: No we arent
US: Yes, and heres proof
NK: Ok, we are.


It went like this.

US: We think NK might be breaking the agreement, because that would be just like them.

NK: Don't worry we have no plans to go nuclear.

US: Darn. We can't find any proof. Our sattelite images show the factory is closed and we haven't been able to detect any activity.

NK: Ok, the time is right to increase our leverage at the talks. "We have nukes".

US: Damn! How did you do that?


As my link proves.. The US has very little ability to know whats going on in NK.
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