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Keepongoing
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 Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: Student says the US wants war |
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| An advanced student of mine discussed in class (topic discussion class) that the US wants the war, so it can sale weapons. That when the war starts the US will abandon Korea. I kept my mouth shut and let her talk. Anyway, at lunch we were discussing graduate school options and I asked her where she wanted to go? She said, "The USA" |
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Yo!Chingo
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| No surprise. Look at Osama Bin Loden...he went to a US college for somethin' or other. They all need the US at some point. |
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Percy Nickets
Joined: 18 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Student says the US wants war |
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| MASH4077 wrote: |
| An advanced student of mine discussed in class (topic discussion class) that the US wants the war, so it can sale weapons. |
Korean students don't often make that mistake. You should calmly but firmly explain that it is impossible for any country to sale weapons. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Student says the US wants war |
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| MASH4077 wrote: |
| An advanced student of mine discussed in class (topic discussion class) that the US wants the war, so it can sale weapons. That when the war starts the US will abandon Korea. I kept my mouth shut and let her talk. Anyway, at lunch we were discussing graduate school options and I asked her where she wanted to go? She said, "The USA" |
When you get your evacuation notice from the Embassy, hope you have at least one day advance notice. That day, buy a giant love-stick, and make it a point to teach hypocracy the hard way to the student. |
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r.
Joined: 06 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Yo!Chingo wrote: |
| No surprise. Look at Osama Bin Loden...he went to a US college for somethin' or other. They all need the US at some point. |
Ummm no he did not go to college for anything in the US. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: Re: Student says the US wants war |
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| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
| MASH4077 wrote: |
| An advanced student of mine discussed in class (topic discussion class) that the US wants the war, so it can sale weapons. That when the war starts the US will abandon Korea. I kept my mouth shut and let her talk. Anyway, at lunch we were discussing graduate school options and I asked her where she wanted to go? She said, "The USA" |
When you get your evacuation notice from the Embassy, hope you have at least one day advance notice. That day, buy a giant love-stick, and make it a point to teach hypocracy the hard way to the student. |
Jenny Cafe, Shin-Jeju Shi.
Do you hang at this place? If so, you may have the opportunity to meet a few like the poster.
Jenny's is cool. Check it out for your culinary and social pleasures, eh. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| r. wrote: |
| Yo!Chingo wrote: |
| No surprise. Look at Osama Bin Loden...he went to a US college for somethin' or other. They all need the US at some point. |
Ummm no he did not go to college for anything in the US. |
Osama Bin Ladin did not go any U.S. institution. That is correct. There were members of his clan who did business in the U.S. and attended American institutions. I am sure there were Indians who were educated in England who went against England in the 1930s. People admire many things about the U.S., but when a heavy hand is used improperly in the eyes of others, than there is trouble.
I do not see a contradiction with not liking the U.S. government and some of the attitudes in the U.S. that propped up many cases of bad judgement that government carried out and wanting to go to an American institution. The person did not state they dislike Americans and American institutions.
Anyway, your student is a young man. What does he know about politics? As far as selling weapons, Americans who want to go to war in North Korea want to take out Kim Jung Il. They feel alarmed by his WMD ambitions. I think many people in the world, in the U.S. feel the pit bull approach of this current administration part of the reason why they failed in their foreign policy regarding North Korea. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| I do not see a contradiction with not liking the U.S. government and some of the attitudes in the U.S. that propped up many cases of bad judgement that government carried out and wanting to go to an American institution. The person did not state they dislike Americans and American institutions. |
I agree with this to some extent. Even if she had a wholesale dislike for Americans (which is quite different from disliking the government) it's only pragmatic to want to go to an American university. There's no real contradiction or hypocrisy there.
Frankly, I'd find it odd if I ever met a young Korean who didn't have a deeply ambivalent opinion of America. |
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Keepongoing
Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: Idid not editorialize |
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actually, I only stated what happened; I did not editorilaize the statement on here. If anything, I encourage controversy in my classes and held my peace until asked. I applauded the student who had writted up such sensitive questions. One was if they thought the US Military should remain on Korean soil. They all agreed that they should. Of course they had reservations as they stated that the US Military gets by with hurting and Killing Koreans. I have heard all this before.
They did ask me my thoughts and I stated that Bush's foreign policy may be repsonsible for a lot of what we are seeing at this time. At the beginning of his time in office he cited Iraq, Iran and North Korea as being evil and then invaded Iraq. This of course alerted both Iran and North korea, both of whom since have gone in the direction of obtaining nuclear capabilities. Both feared that they were next on the list for invasions.
The students know I am an American and felt comfortable enough in the class to express their opinions, which is a great thing.
I made this post to hear everyone's response, which for the most part has been quite interesting. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Idid not editorialize |
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| MASH4077 wrote: |
They did ask me my thoughts and I stated that Bush's foreign policy may be repsonsible for a lot of what we are seeing at this time. At the beginning of his time in office he cited Iraq, Iran and North Korea as being evil and then invaded Iraq. This of course alerted both Iran and North korea, both of whom since have gone in the direction of obtaining nuclear capabilities. Both feared that they were next on the list for invasions.
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Since? Hasn't North Korea been working on developing a nuclear weapon since the Eighties? Bush's comments might have sped things up for them, but the nuclear program of North Korea is nothing new.
I made this post to hear everyone's response, which for the most part has been quite interesting. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Student says the US wants war |
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| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
| MASH4077 wrote: |
| An advanced student of mine discussed in class ( All by herself?? ) (topic discussion class) that the US wants the war, so it can sale ( I've never known weapons producers to be so consumer friendly!! ) weapons. That when the war starts the US will abandon Korea. ( My kingdom for a sentence!!!! ) I kept my mouth shut and let her talk. Anyway, at lunch we were discussing graduate school options and I asked her where she wanted to go? Not quite sure what it was you asked her?? She said, "The USA" ( However, she refused to finish the sentence!!!! ) |
When you get your evacuation notice from the Embassy, hope you have at least one day's (one day = someday?? One day of??) advance notice. That day, buy a giant love-stick, and make it a point to teach hypocracy ( Hypocrisy would be too much of a stretch! ) the hard way to the student. ( Can someone tell me what, "...hypocracy the hard way" is?? ) |
Please, please, please tell me you are not English teachers. I will completely collapse if I have to deal with "love-stick".... |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Student says the US wants war |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
| MASH4077 wrote: |
| An advanced student of mine discussed in class ( All by herself?? ) (topic discussion class) that the US wants the war, so it can sale ( I've never known weapons producers to be so consumer friendly!! ) weapons. That when the war starts the US will abandon Korea. ( My kingdom for a sentence!!!! ) I kept my mouth shut and let her talk. Anyway, at lunch we were discussing graduate school options and I asked her where she wanted to go? Not quite sure what it was you asked her?? She said, "The USA" ( However, she refused to finish the sentence!!!! ) |
When you get your evacuation notice from the Embassy, hope you have at least one day's (one day = someday?? One day of??) advance notice. That day, buy a giant love-stick, and make it a point to teach hypocracy ( Hypocrisy would be too much of a stretch! ) the hard way to the student. ( Can someone tell me what, "...hypocracy the hard way" is?? ) |
Please, please, please tell me you are not English teachers. I will completely collapse if I have to deal with "love-stick".... |
Yes. I'm a teacher, LOOK OUT!
Now, if after I typed "when you get your evacuation notice" didn't clue you in that I was being facetious, then I'm alarmed that YOU are an English teacher, as obviously you are not nuanced enough in comprehension to understand context and satire thereby missing a goodly part of the English language, in all it's glory.
Ah, also see that you pointed out my typo. Bravo. Perhaps push the screen a few inches away from your face, and you'll pick up on the actual meaning of things...it will however possibly cause you to skip over the occassional spelling mistake...quandries! I know... |
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