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New evidence clears up whether Bush sought to bomb alJazeera
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: New evidence clears up whether Bush sought to bomb alJazeera Reply with quote

For their eyes only

New evidence clears up whether Bush sought to bomb al-Jazeera. But we are not allowed to hear it

Richard Norton-Taylor
Friday October 13, 2006
The Guardian


Two men are to be tried behind closed doors in an Old Bailey courtroom in a move that will stop the public finding out whether George Bush proposed what would have been a war crime and how Tony Blair reacted. The evidence the government does not want us to hear is in an official record of a meeting in Washington in April 2004, when the situation in Iraq was deteriorating fast. The memo, it has been reported, refers to Bush's alleged proposal to bomb the Arabic TV channel al-Jazeera, and is said to reveal how far Blair went in criticising US military tactics in Iraq at a time when troops were bombarding Falluja.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1921199,00.html
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like Bush, but something about you, BB, propels me to defend the man.

Here's my question. Did Bush bomb Al Jazeera?
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
I don't like Bush, but something about you, BB, propels me to defend the man.

Here's my question. Did Bush bomb Al Jazeera?


I don't know, but unlike you, I'm very interested in knowing the answer.

From what I read at the time, there was a very strong case against the US forces. The only possible defence must be utter utter incompetence.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
Kuros wrote:
I don't like Bush, but something about you, BB, propels me to defend the man.

Here's my question. Did Bush bomb Al Jazeera?


I don't know, but unlike you, I'm very interested in knowing the answer.


The article you quote says nothing about Bush actually bombing Al Jazeera, it is only talking about how Bush sought to bomb it. As in he discussed it.

Bush didn't actually bomb Al Jazeera. There's enough mistakes the man has made that you needn't jump on him for mistakes he didn't make.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
Kuros wrote:
I don't like Bush, but something about you, BB, propels me to defend the man.

Here's my question. Did Bush bomb Al Jazeera?


I don't know, but unlike you, I'm very interested in knowing the answer.


The article you quote says nothing about Bush actually bombing Al Jazeera, it is only talking about how Bush sought to bomb it. As in he discussed it.

Bush didn't actually bomb Al Jazeera. There's enough mistakes the man has made that you needn't jump on him for mistakes he didn't make.


Many observers at the time (with some reason) believed the US deliberately targetted Al Jazeera. The article doesn't say whether or not he did. Obviously, he didn't literally do it. That task would have been left to the cannon fodder. You get full points for reading comprehension there sonny. The article hints that the truth is known and we are being kept in the dark.

If I were you, I wouldn't go jumping in to defend a man's innocence of a crime that you do not know he didn't commit. The jury is still very much out.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:

If I were you, I wouldn't go jumping in to defend a man's innocence of a crime that you do not know he didn't commit. The jury is still very much out.


Right, I shouldn't defend a man's innocence of a crime that I don't know that he didn't commit. Isn't that backwards? You know, you require evidence to establish guilt?

The Guardian wrote:
The evidence the government does not want us to hear is in an official record of a meeting in Washington in April 2004, when the situation in Iraq was deteriorating fast. The memo, it has been reported, refers to Bush's alleged proposal to bomb the Arabic TV channel al-Jazeera


This is the only quote in the article directly discussing the proposal to bomb the Arabic TV channel. It doesn't say that it was anything more than a proposal, and I don't believe al-Jazeera was actually bombed by anyone, so...

...maybe if someone has a link for us of an al-Jazeera station being bombed at about that time?

My reading comprehension is not so bad as to be ridiculed.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A proposal to inflict harm on someone or entity would be viewed by police investigating a murder, for example, as a motive behind the crime and to suspect those who voiced such opinions. I used to not believe that the U.S. and U.K. who are supposed to stand by the liberal values of freedom of speech would not try to silence a news network. I changed my mind after seeing the scandals that have emanated from Downing Street and Pennsylvania Avenue. What would you think if Al jazeera was bombed twice? Anyway, read what Ron Suskind says about this:


According to Ron Suskind who wrote the 1% doctrine the U.S. government bombed Al Jazeera.

In the new book, "The One Percent Doctrine," investigative journalist Ron Suskind writes that that the U.S deliberately bombed the Kabul, Afghanistan offices of Al Jazeera. He writes, "On November 13, 2001, a hectic day when Kabul fell to the Northern Alliance and there were celebrations in the streets of the city, a U.S. missile obliterated Al Jazeera's office. Inside the CIA and White House there was satisfaction that a message had been sent to Al Jazeera."

The "One Percent Doctrine" also examines how the Bush Adminstration's philosophy of separating analysis from action and embracing suspicion as a justification for the use of American power has shaped its policies.


Ron Suskind, Pulitzer prize-winning journalist and author of "The One Percent Doctrine: Deep Inside America's Pursuit of Its Enemies Since 9/11." His previous books include "The Price of Loyalty: George W Bush, the White House and the Education of Paul O'Neill" and "A Hope Unseen."
- Website: RonSuskind

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/14/147205&mode=thread&tid=25

P.S. I don't like Al jazeera's style of reporting, but I don't support bombing networks or thinking of it.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't we all get along? I said that without any reason. Do you all remember when Al Jazeera was reporting on the elections and people didn't want them around? What do you think is good about Al jazeera? What do you think is bad about it? I will give my opinion aftewards.

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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:


My reading comprehension is not so bad as to be ridiculed.


big bird struggles when she comes upon intelligent, articulate, relatively neutral parties such as yourself (and excluding moi).
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