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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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I have decided that, while I'd like to start a vigilante group and get everyone of these b11tches for men tire ironned, it'd be better for my pacifist conscience if I took another route.
So I figured that next time I see a guy trying to hit his much better half, I'll take out my camera and pretend like I'm making a movie of it; get in close enough to make out faces but outta swinging range; make them good and conscious of the camera in their face.
I'm thinkin' that would, at least temporarily calm the situation. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| doggyji wrote: |
| But to directly intervene or not in domestic violence is a different matter. I guess it's not as 'simple' as saving someone from a danger. Anyway, there's no correct answer. Just don't be so judgemental of others and do what you think is right. |
Even in the UK this was the prevailing attitude until fairly recently. Right up until the late nineties the police were always reluctant to intervene. Fortunately, the police have started to tackle domestic abuse and abusive husbands are being punished. Korea is also going in that direction and the police are far more likely to intervene now than they were in the nineties. The laizze fare approach to domestic abuse is slowly but surely disappearing in Korea. That said, it's not a good idea to intervene unless you can explain the situation in Korean. If the guy is seriously beating the girl then call the police or politely get the attention of another Korean. If you really need to get involved restrain the guy but don't start dishing out a beating. The way police do things these days is completely different to the nineties. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Is the guy on the left Choi Hong-man? How many giants does Korea have? Is there a secret genetic-engineering laboratory & factory? |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Is the guy on the left Choi Hong-man? How many giants does Korea have? Is there a secret genetic-engineering laboratory & factory? |
I believe so. He was a big sillim champ here before he floundered his way to the top of K1. Saw the guy in Myeong-dong once...f'n scary. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Canada
The Criminal Code provides that every one is a party to an offense who:
(b) does or omits to do anything for the purpose of aiding any person to commit it; or
(c) abets any person in committing.
For these purposes, abetting means "to encourage or or set on" and an abettor is "an instigator or setter on, one who promotes or procures a crime to be committed." |
You, by your inaction, become criminally responsible. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Canada
The Criminal Code provides that every one is a party to an offense who:
(b) does or omits to do anything for the purpose of aiding any person to commit it; or
(c) abets any person in committing.
For these purposes, abetting means "to encourage or or set on" and an abettor is "an instigator or setter on, one who promotes or procures a crime to be committed." |
You, by your inaction, become criminally responsible. |
while i totally agree with you, i predict that within minutes you're gonna get jumped on by 800,000 dingdongs who are going to say "well that's CANADA and this is KOREA" and leave it at that, though most civilised countries probably have a similar sub-section in their criminal code. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| They will be assimilated. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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It's thrilling to be an action hero and it's indeed great that some of you guys will jump in immediately to stop any act of injustice. But what if unfortunately the guy was not as wimpy as the ones you met, like these 2.15 m monsterous men?
I, at least, try to be consistent and would rather call in more legitimate force to solve the problem unless somebody's dying or something.  |
Don't you mean "It's thrilling to be an INTERNET action hero.."? |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I think he means, "It's thrilling to be an inaction hero." |
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prairieboy
Joined: 14 Sep 2003
Location: The batcave.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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If you've got a video function on your phone then record it and post it on the internet.
Cheers |
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Callan
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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| I hate to tell you this, but it's not your country. You will not change anything, mind your own business and stop trying to make people act the same as you. Do you honestly think that's the first and last time that guy and girl will take part in a cycle of abuse. ... |
Funny, really. Completely irrelevant and silly. Where do we draw the line with this whole "don't try to make people act the same as you" thing? Here, we can say it is cultural difference. What if it is familial difference back home. Can I put Toothless Zeke in an armlock because he's whacking his wife, or should I chalk that up to "cultural differences"? It isn't about the countries, because the laws here don't condone violence. Most of us understand that hitting people is wrong, and for those of us who don't get it we have the law (even in Korea) that dictates it. So, getting involved gets my vote for "the right thing".
Now, should you bash the guy? Probably not. This is the time to be clever. I agree with Kimchi_pizza. Violence is the last resort and if one is unwise about it, it can cause more trouble. You aren't there to teach him a lesson, it doesn't work that way. You're trying to keep another person from harm. It doesn't matter how you look and it doesn't matter the reward.
You ask what would happen if the guy was a brute...well, that has happened to me. I got in the guy's face and diverted his attention. Even the most aggressive fellows tend to be good for at least 10 minutes of posturing and shouting before a fist is thrown. He yelled and I yelled and her friends took her away. Then I told the guy to relax and have a good night and booked. Maybe I looked like a coward. Not sure. It worked and I was happy. Maybe they hooked up later and he put her in the hospital. But it didn't happen at that moment. It could have gone horribly wrong and I could have been pounded. I would have engaged in violence if I had to. You move in the direction you feel is right and you do it to the best of your abilities, knowing the potential cost.
I will say this. If I ever have children and they roam this planet. Regardless of where they are, if they find themselves in trouble over their head, I hope there will be someone there who thinks that the right thing to do is get involved.
oh...and one last thing...
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| I hope that someday you have the crap kicked out of you while a group of people mind their own business and watch while you get pounded. |
Everything you say before and after a statement like that loses all power and sense. 5 year olds and cruel people say things like that, not people who should be listened to. |
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Kimchi Cha Cha
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not entirely proud of my course of action at the other night andbelieve I could have handled it better. I'll admit that I did act as strongly as I did in this situation as I believed that this guy was not much of a threat to myself. I definitely wouldn't have come across as strongly as I had had I any doubt about my ability to defend myself should I need to. I'd like to think that even if the guy was physically stronger than me, then I would at least do something to intervene. Though I am certain I would have taken a more concillatory approach than I did the other night. That's the truth and I'm not hiding it or trying to be macho, I'm a fairly timid character myself vast majority of the time.
It's only when I see incidents that make me feel uncomfortable that I act up. I have 2 sisters and I always try to place the victim in the same situation as if it were one of my sisters. I would never want my sisters to be in a similar situation (which one has) so I believe that I shouldn't let others' sisters, mothers, daughters etc. encounter the same situation without at least even trying to stop it.
One of my sisters had a bad experience in Paris several years back, she was walking along the street in broad daylight. Then a guy resting against a wall near an alley grabbed her by the arms and dragged her to the alley. He pinned her arms and stood over her. This was looking bad for her and she screamed and try to fight him off. Despite being only being a matter of yards from a busy Parisian sidewalk with there being a struggle with my sister screaming. Everyone ignored her and went about their own business choosing not to get involved. Thank goodness my sister managed to find his groin with a strong kick and wrest herself away from the situation.
After I heard her re-live her story it made my blood boil that it could happen to my sister, that I wasn't there to help her and that no passers-by even tried to assist her. From then on, I made a vow that I couldn't just walk away from situations such as this without at least trying to do something to help.
I'm not a brave or macho person by stretch of the imagination, and I've been a coward plenty of times. It's just that I can't bring myself to do nothing in these situations as I always feel for the victim and think about their loved ones who are unknowing and powerless to help them in the time of need.
I like to think of the motto, evils prevails when good people do nothing. I'd rather get deported or cop a beating rather hear news about a rape which was partly caused by my inability to stand up to the aggressor.
Having said this it's a personal call and I can perfectly understand why people don't get involved, and there have been incidents in the past where I could have but didn't get involved. It's just these days I can't help but get involved. |
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Atassi
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
Location: 평택
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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junior, ignore this if you were honest here, but I have doubts about your story and honesty as others here do. You really created quite a discussion....
The wisest thing to do is a balance between the different viewpoints here. Be careful that you don't yourself make a mistake and make a fool of yourself, a fool of us waygooks, and potentially create a huge problem for you. If you don't know what's going on, jumping on the guy and putting him in a head/torture lock may not be the best choice. And, ignoring the situation is cruel.
Instead of jumping the guy in this supposed event Junior was a part of, why couldn't Junior just grab his hand and/or calmly get in between them? The best way to defuse a situation is not to jump a complete stranger, maybe "taking his head off." If the bystanders were laughing as stated, then Junior did make a fool of himself in at least some way. Being calm, firm, and using a low, normal voice would have worked better. And who knows...if Junior had been calm he may have found out what the issue was. If this really happened.....
Oh, and in my experience seeing a domestic fight in public here is less common than back in the States. It seems some here think that the West is beyond domestic violence. Quite wrong.
Oh, and another thing. About the second story, when a girl screams "YAA!", it's not necessarily a scream for help...Most of the time it's not. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| See the bolded part, and consider doggyji's blase attitude about it. He doesn't even seem certain that it's a bad thing. |
Eh, I never said it's not a bad thing. Domestic violence is a terrible thing. I just said if it looked a bit serious, I'd call the cops rather than step in and try to teach a lesson to the jerk myself. I don't wanna make it worse by any chance. This is my basic policy but of course an exception would be made if the guy seemed really trying to kill the woman or something. |
Well, I was just thinking about the way you worded some things, like this:
In case of domestic violence (not just random violence by a stranger), I wouldn't jump in and take physical action unless she was desperately seeking for help and the guy was almost trying to kill her. If it was a slapping game, I would just pass by. If it seemed rather serious, then I would call the police with a loud voice on the phone. Physical intervention should be the very last method.
It seems like a flippant attitude toward a man hitting a woman. "Slapping game"? I don't know of any games where a man should be slapping a woman. Are you 100% sure that a man shouldn't slap a woman? Because some other words you wrote indicate that you think there are good excuses for it:
I guess it's not as 'simple' as saving someone from a danger. Anyway, there's no correct answer. Just don't be so judgemental of others and do what you think is right.
Why isn't it that simple? Why shouldn't we be judgmental about men hitting women? I think there is a correct answer: a man should not hit a woman (or anyone else for that matter) unless it is a necessary measure to prevent personal injury.
The article I linked earlier said many Koreans think this kind of thing is a private issue, and that many times police will not respond because they don't think they should get involved. It's difficult for Koreans to adjust to Canada and other countries which have strict laws regarding domestic violence. Would you say that's a fair assessment?
I'm not trying to judge you--just making note of what I perceive. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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stupid or not, dangerous or not, ultimately ineffective or not, jail-time or not, I would still step in and stop it from happening. I cannot change the world, but I can affect all I sense around me. And if you're hitting a woman in my presence, by the love of my mother and for the sake of my future wife I will
beat
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