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Nambucaveman
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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Ok, let's stop hurling insults at each other.
There are many people on this board, with many diffrent points of view. Why is it necessary to stoop to namecalling?
"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?" |
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| I see all current events posts older than 2005 have been archived/ deleted, so we can't really check the high level of intellect in them anyway. |
It seems this way because prior to 2005 there only fve forums: Job, General, FAQ, Buy/Sell/Trade and Off-Topic. Travel and CE (Technology as well?) were made to relieve pressure on off topic and presumably to make things easier to find. Possibly also an attempt to comfine the crazies.
But I think Off-Topic has been archived/deleted so you won't find anything there. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Zoidberg wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| I see all current events posts older than 2005 have been archived/ deleted, so we can't really check the high level of intellect in them anyway. |
It seems this way because prior to 2005 there only fve forums: Job, General, FAQ, Buy/Sell/Trade and Off-Topic. Travel and CE (Technology as well?) were made to relieve pressure on off topic and presumably to make things easier to find. Possibly also an attempt to comfine the crazies.
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The off-topic forum, and later the CE forum, was indeed meant (in part) to keep those people away from the normal children. For over two years, this has been effective - they rarely escape out from CE and into the general board population. |
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The Lemon wrote: |
| The off-topic forum, and later the CE forum, was indeed meant (in part) to keep those people away from the normal children. For over two years, this has been effective - they rarely escape out from CE and into the general board population. |
I know. I remember before CE, threads that were civil and constructive, despite disagreements, for several pages could suddenly be invaded and destroyed by hordes of rampaging trolls. The worst of these have been largely confined by CE.
We should speak no more of this, they may realize there is troll-feed elsewhere. Shhhh. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Captain America,
I just read your other reply from a previous thread....
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| I don't mind the bee-keeper suits. I mind the people that require their women to wear the bee-keeper suits. |
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A direct reference to Bill Maher, who first called them bee-keeper suits. I think that is a pretty good comparison.
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| I think it speaks volumes about your intellect and tolerance of other faiths and beliefs (guaranteed under the constitution mind you). |
Also guaranteed under the constitution is freedom of speech. I guess that I can say what I want as long as it isn't offensive? You have a strange way of interpreting the Bill of Rights.
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| Your ignorance and plain mid-western, golly shucks gee, bee suit , forrest gumpism is exactly what America doesn't need. |
As opposed to your quasi-transcendentalist, melodramatic, holier-than-thou attitude that you share with us on a daily basis? You're better than everyone and everyone should be like you and listen to everything you have to say. Yeah. That's what America needs.
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| You don't make it shine. |
Polish it, then. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Captain America,
I just read your other reply from a previous thread....
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| I don't mind the bee-keeper suits. I mind the people that require their women to wear the bee-keeper suits. |
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A direct reference to Bill Maher, who first called them bee-keeper suits. I think that is a pretty good comparison.
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| I think it speaks volumes about your intellect and tolerance of other faiths and beliefs (guaranteed under the constitution mind you). |
Also guaranteed under the constitution is freedom of speech. I guess that I can say what I want as long as it isn't offensive? You have a strange way of interpreting the Bill of Rights.
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| Your ignorance and plain mid-western, golly shucks gee, bee suit , forrest gumpism is exactly what America doesn't need. |
As opposed to your quasi-transcendentalist, melodramatic, holier-than-thou attitude that you share with us on a daily basis? You're better than everyone and everyone should be like you and listen to everything you have to say. Yeah. That's what America needs.
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| You don't make it shine. |
Polish it, then. |
Personally, I'm all for the Muslim way of thinking. I think it should be policy to make all OUR women wear no bras, white t-shirts and get breast enlargment surgery if needed.
for those of you with very little wit or intelligence, I am being sarcastic |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:23 am Post subject: |
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Plig,
You can say whatever you want and I defend your right to say it. Have defended many times before this notion , precious notion. So don't tag me with that. Never said anything counter it.
You would do well to not steal other comics lines. Nor, get your education from a comic. Maher says good, he says bad. Why? Because his product is not intelligence but entertainment. Glad you are entertained but also know it means, stained.
You have me thinking of Whitman today. That collosus that did America so proud and set her off in a great direction. Perhaps because he had the ego you speak, that I have. An ego that embraces all. Embraces life , not death....embraces all and is not afraid of any......we are all the same.
I looked up an old friend who wrote on Whitman, he writes about what America needs, how Whitman says America is only right when she embraces, absorbs ALL and America is weak when divisive, not accepting of diversity and full of "us" and "them" . America is a world of men, women. If there is a clash of civilizations as your leader asserts, (Bill that is but also George), America will be fighting herself.
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| What had to emerge in America, Whitman realized, was a whole new kind of representative mind, one that would accumulate instead of exclude, one that would join instead of separate, one that would absorb rather than discriminate. Thus Whitman began his call for an indiscriminate acceptance of diversity, as he became one of the first writers in English to sense the negative side of the process of discrimination: that any act of discrimination assured that someone or something had to be discriminated against. So, he believed, only by speaking for both slave and master of slave could the problem of slavery be overcome; political representatives were effectively speaking for one or the other, but no one was representing both and all between: only when a truly democratic identity became feasible--one in which everyone recognized himself or herself--would slavery be revealed as a failure of that identity. ...............calling each of us into being and by convincing each of us that we were potentially everyone else. This would be the voice vast enough to speak the diversity of America, and it would issue a challenge to all of us to recognize our interrelationship with the culture, to see the range of human possibility in this country at any given time as the external manifestation of the range of human possibility that exists within each and every one of us. |
whitman writes, in his precious preface,
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Here is not merely a nation but a teeming nation of nations. Here is action untied from strings necessarily blind to particulars and details magnificently moving in vast masses. Here is the hospitality which forever indicates heroes� |
and , but perhaps will require some pondering by a pond, on your part,
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| AMERICA does not repel the past or what it has produced under its forms or amid other politics or the idea of castes or the old religions � accepts the lesson with calmness � is not so impatient as has been supposed that the slough still sticks to opinions and manners and literature while the life which served its requirements has passed into the new life of the new forms |
Signing off and trying to find a phone booth so I can take off my damnly comical suit. Don't quite have your comical confidence to wear it as casual wear.
DD |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Plig,
You can say whatever you want and I defend your right to say it. Have defended many times before this notion , precious notion. So don't tag me with that. Never said anything counter it. |
Um... Anytime anyone says anything that you don't like, you call them names and say that they are idiots. I do the same, so I guess we are the same in that respect. However, I never pull out the bill of rights to demean someone when I am trampling on it. You do.
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| You would do well to not steal other comics lines. Nor, get your education from a comic. Maher says good, he says bad. Why? Because his product is not intelligence but entertainment. Glad you are entertained but also know it means, stained. |
And, you would do well not to use Whitman, a genius, as a comparison to you. You, my friend, are no Whitman. He can write.
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| You have me thinking of Whitman today. |
Said before...
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| That collosus that did America so proud and set her off in a great direction. Perhaps because he had the ego you speak, that I have. |
You have Whitman's attitude? You? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! 
And, you need a preposition there. Also, you should never end a sentence with a preposition. 
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| An ego that embraces all. Embraces life , not death....embraces all and is not afraid of any......we are all the same. |
No, we are not all the same. I think men and women are equal. I think all men are created equal. I think that one man should have one vote. I think that all men are entitled to freedoms that we take for granted. I think that religion should not be the foundation of our civilization.
We are not all the same.
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| Signing off and trying to find a phone booth so I can take off my damnly comical suit. Don't quite have your comical confidence to wear it as casual wear. |
Comical? Hahahahaha. You are comical enough to dress however you want.
And, when I said "Polish it," I meant my knob. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I know that we aren't supposed to call names and such, but, golly gee whiz, dd, I have never come across a more consistently pretentious "person" in my life.
Just a wild guess, but, it would be fair to say that your alone quite a bit, right? Early 40's, no wife/kids/friends/dog? Esl cafe provides meaning for an otherwise meaningless life?
I say this not to be mean, but to let you know that your persona is transparent. Like the kid who lies about his whole life on his first day of uni. Maybe you ought to stop being such a blowhard and yu'll find that life may get easier...
You are an esl teacher in Korea. Time for your rhetoric to start reflecting your reality. Your not a professor, doctor, writer, poet or pundit. Esl can be a fine job, but maybe you want to not talk yourself up too much. It is just slightly rich of you when you do. Maybe an evening in Itaewon will help. You can look around at those with whom you share a profession. After all, a person can be known by those with whom he keeps company, and you clearly have no idea who you really are.
You had me thinking of Carlin today. That comic that did America so proud and set her off in a great direction, and his writings about Todd. Are you named Todd, by chance? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| who are you refering to there BJWD? Dude right above you? DD? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
And, you need a preposition there. Also, you should never end a sentence with a preposition.
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This is a rule very much ignored by sane linguists. English is from the Germanic family of languages, where it is quite acceptable to place prepositions at the end of sentences. However, in the 18th century, there was an attempt to make English follow the rules of latin grammar - and so silly rules like the one above were prescribed by grammarians.
It's not considered good netiquette to be criticising people's writing style/grammar/spelling etc. DD writes in his own style of shorthand, which poses no real communication problems, so let's not be pedantic. This is just a message board, not an international news service. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| [There are oceans of difference, of course, between, on the one hand, attacking someone's undeniably extremist views and/or |
Now this is curious. Someone whose basic stance is that of being against unnecessary war is labelled as extremist. Someone who passionately believes that military adventurism and the destruction of life are immoral is a radical.
If I was behind Blair and the Whitehouse neocons, advocating war and the exploitation of foreign resources, I would be considered cool and rational.
You have me down as anti-Bush - and yet I'm not really concerned with Bush and what he does in your own country. I'm surprised you like him, but he's your elected President and you are welcome to follow him if that's who you choose. What he does in the US is fine with me (as long as he keeps those greenhouse gas emissions down!). Your domestic affairs are really not of that much of interest, so long as they don't somehow impinge on the rest of us. It's the dangerous military adventurism that he has exported to the rest of the world that so disturbs me. You also have me down as anti-US, but I don't really have that much against the US. I think in many ways it's a fine country. What I do disagree with is aspects of your foreign policy (and that of my own nation's foreign policy corresponding with yours) which affect the rest of us in very serious and negative ways.
You can continue with your caracature of Big_Bird as a wild extreme hysterical Bush hater whose whole raison d'etre is to bring down American civilisation if you like - but do be assured that is very much a creation of your own imagination - a product of your own hysteria perhaps.
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| (and I will not go back on the Tyson thread where you had a homosexual rapist violently attacking me in one of your cruder fantasy-responses). |
Now I'm afraid I don't remember this, so I'd like to see a link. It's certainly not my cup of tea to be fantasising about man on man sex!  Perhaps this is your own fantasy of Big_Bird's fantasising? 
I suspect that if I wrote anything vaguely resembling what you are suggesting, it was in an attempt to make you put yourself in another's shoes. I recall you were very cynical about women who 'cry rape' (after all you had worked at a casino where women regularly claimed to have been raped, and then confessed to lying about it, so therefore it must be unlikely that Tyson could have raped Desiree...) and seemed to have little empathy for rape victims in general.
One way to make a person appreciate another's misfortune is to try to get them to imagine being in that person's shoes. I think it's very hard for many men to appreciate how terrifying it is for a woman to be faced by an attacker much physically stronger than herself. Perhaps I asked you to imagine how you might feel if you were being attacked by someone much stronger and violent than yourself (Mike Tyson would be a good example).
I certainly would never actually wish rape you on - please be assured!
BTW, I saw your little post on this thread yesterday...the one in which you offered to be civil to other posters if only they would be nice to you! You had immediate second thoughts it seems - hard to go against ones nature - eh? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| BTW, I saw your little post on this thread yesterday... |
Again, this comes as no surprise, given that you are such a paragon of quiet effectiveness, lady-like discretion, and courtesy...
This notwithstanding, I will clarify for the benefit of anyone who may not understand your ref.
In response to Nambucaveman's post, on this page above, I quoted part of it, and then used it as a figurative olive branch. I said something along the lines of this: "this sounds good to me...Is anyone willing to second it? If we at least take the name-calling out of this mix, perhaps that might lead to a better discourse here."
As you note, in your heckling style, I did delete the post a few minutes after posting it. It seems I was correct in judging that it was destined only to be laughed at...
So thanks for confirming my suspicions. And if this is how you faithfully report what others have said...well, perhaps this explains why others react to you as I do. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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BJWD,
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| I say this not to be mean, but to let you know that your persona is transparent. Like the kid who lies about his whole life on his first day of uni. Maybe you ought to stop being such a blowhard and yu'll find that life may get easier... |
My life is transparent. I don't come on here wearing some comical persona but stand by who I am and anyone can know about it. Don't have nothing to hide and proud of where I've come and will go . So don't even have to mention any of the details.......Expansive is what Whitman would call it. And despite my transparency, you fail to even see a modicum of what I am made of....
Life is easy. Beautiful love of my life who I wake up with each morning. Stimulating intellectual pursuits and learning through reading, teaching my teacher courses. Was out into the wee hours in Itaewon Sat. night, so thanks for the invite but I am doing fine (and the dongdongju was great).
Regularly meet with my peers and get along swimmingly. I do things well and don't suffer fools gladly. Been on the top of the world in a few sports and know what it takes to get there, stay there. My Germanic side, did me well there (thanks Dad). Concentration, study, doing things well, are long lost in our distracted world of Postman's "being entertained to death" . Call me pretencious but I am all with people like Allan Bloom and his "Closing of the American Mind" - see so much of that here (yes YOU). People who substitute education with entertainment and know not a wit of difference.
My point being, I have nothing to hide. Regarding my own "style" of writing, the same there of. (oh! damn I left a preposition dragging, better get to the board and erase it!). I follow my own mind and am not some ameoba gesticulating in the wind of information - as so many are.
You can call me pretencious, so be it. That is how I come across HERE. My style is that of a cynic, that dog eared kind of guy that Ambrose Bierce defined (in his Devil's Dictionary, I recommend you get one) as
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| A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision |
I would echo and paraphrase BB's comment that this ain't a grammarians convention nor "reality" but rather a small model of it. Useful for much experiment - and we are all, a grand experiment of one.
DD |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. Congratulations on one of the meanest, most vindictive threads seen here in months. Character assassination lives.
Remember, it's not about the ideas, learning and growing. It's all about crushing the other person into dust and being the big winner in an obscure message board forum. |
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