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[SPINOZA]

I really think Red Dog should be given less sh*t. Hey - don't get me wrong, I despise vegetarians. I think killing and eating animals - all animals - is a moral obligation. Thus I am the polar opposite to RD.

However, RD's view is logically consistent. So is mine - just kill everything and eat it! She doesn't eat ANY animals. She doesn't make a stupid distinction between the systematic torture of animals consumed in the West vis-a-vis the slaying of dogs. She doesn't eat any of them.

It is the so-called people that tuck into a nice steak - from a cow that was castrated whilst alive - with eggs - from hens that had their mouths cut off throughout their truly miserable little lives - with lobster - who were boiled alive..........that we should be opposing. Either you're meat-eater, or you're not! I'd take RD over some stupid *beep* who is a meat-eater yet opposes eating dog (and defends this horribly anti-intellectual point by pointing to the manner of the crreature's death!)

I'm a black and white thinker. Either we should eat ALL animals (SPIN) or we should eat none (RD). Myself and RD - although we are 100% in opposition - are logically, morally superior to the morons who think it's ok to eat a tortured cow, hen, pig, lamb....yet woe betide anyone eating cute little puppies.

I absolutely hate - and I mean REALLY hate - Western peopl who distinguish between the eating of a dog and the eating of a pig (the latter is more intelligent than a dog).

Stop giving RD grief. Seek out the steak eaters who oppose the dog-eaters - fools the lot of them!

[Qinella]

[Qinella]

[Kimchieluver]

Well, I don't mind people eating dogs. I have eaten dog, maybe will again. However I think that people should be aware how they are usually beaten or electrocuted while they are alive just before they are killed. Call me SOFT, but I think there should be a sticky informing noobs that this is common place. Maybe it would change some wayguk minds about the "adventure" of eating dog meat. Call me some f***ing c**t because I know how many would change their minds about eating dog if they knew the BASIC facts about dog meat in Korea.

[Kimchieluver]

Sample conversation:

Korean:"I want to take you to a special restaurant".

Noob: "Sure".

Korean: " You will try dog meat!".

Noob: "Holy cow! You guys eat that here!"

Korean: "Yes, it increases STAMINA" (which Spinoza and many others are desperately lacking)

Noob: "I think that dogs are special animals, don't you"

Korean: "We don't eat our pets, these are just dogs raised to be eaten".

Noob: "Okay, I always wondered what dog would taste like".

Korean: "And then we will go hiking to a Budhest temple" (just after violating all Budhist laws).

Noob: "Sounds great! I cant think of a better way to waste my Saturday".

[Kimchieluver]

Sample conversation if a noob was an informed noob:

Korean: " I am going to take you to a special restaurant".

Noob: "Cool, where?".

Korean: "We are going to try dog meat"

Noob: "No, thank you. Lets have sumgetong" (like the pic Spinoza has in his sig line).

OR

Noob: "Sounds good, I always wanted to try dog!" (doesn't give a crap about what Kimchieluver, Spinoza, Red Dog, The Bobster had to say... he/she is exercising free will with an informed opinion

[The Bobster]

[flotsam]

[SPINOZA]

[red dog]

[red dog]

Many people do consider horses companion animals and object to their slaughter.

http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/equine_protection/get_the_facts_on_horse_slaughter.html

http://www.hr857.com/

This is just an FYI ... I don't necessarily think singling out horses for special protection is a good strategy for animal welfarists. But I am very surprised that the Bobster thought no one in the world cared about horses. What he doesn't seem to understand is that sometimes compassion starts with animals who are closer to us, but as we learn more we can work on becoming more consistent and showing more respect for other animals too.

And yes, some people do change their eating habits because of the cruelty inflicted on chickens, cows and pigs. When I first started avoiding meat as a teenager, my main concern was the fact that they're slaughtered to feed us at all. But learning about the extreme cruelty of factory farm practices definitely strengthened my resolve and helped me take the next steps. I'm sure my experience isn't unique.

[laogaiguk]

Red dog,
should we also stop riding horses. Seriously, while not as bad as being eaten, it's still pretty bad. Imagine your life being devoted to being ridden (not sexual jokes, please). They weren't made that way, we breeded it into them. So if we can't breed animals for food, we should breed them for that either, right? And then, where does it stop?

Though I agree with vegetarianism for health reasons, I see no difference between eating a plant and an animal. We can just relate with the animal as it shows more qualites we know and have. I don't know if you will understand that bolded statment though, many aren't capable of thinking outside the box like that. I don't agree with inhumane ways of raising plants or animals though.

[red dog]

L: Although I am very curious about these "inhumane ways of raising plants," I don't think I have the patience for that discussion. I'm comfortable drawing the line between plants and animals, and I think it's a much more rational place to draw it than between the human species and all other species on the planet. Maybe some day I'll understand your perspective better, but right now it just seems like an excuse for apathy.

As I've said before, I oppose the breeding of all domesticated animals, horses included. I see no problem with people riding their own horse companions, if the horses are tame enough and the humans are committed to caring for them for life. I do have a problem with the buying and selling of horses, many of whom will end up at the slaughterhouse as a result. If people have enough space, money and expertise to care for a horse, they should rescue horses who would otherwise be slaughtered. They shouldn't support breeders.

B: It's nice that people feel safe trusting you with their dogs. All this means is that you're not a thief and you respect the "property rights" of the dogs' guardians. I never said you were a thief, just a speciesist who twists the truth to discredit legitimate ideas you don't happen to agree with. The animal protection movement in Korea isn't a "foreign" movement. Korean animal advocates rejected proposed changes to the country's animal protection law because the proposals weren't good enough ... I don't know how you think you can attack their motives when you don't know anything about them or the work they do.

Also, I think I've already responded to the very nasty and defamatory insinuations you directed against me (yet again, knowing full well that many people don't read threads in their entirety and that some people might just assume -- wrongly -- that your statements were based on something I've said). You're the one who has made generalizations about an entire ethnic group, and I know your generalizations are inaccurate because I've met Koreans who don't think like you.

[red dog]

[flotsam]