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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:15 am    Post subject: Privacy, PMs and Privilege Reply with quote

I need someone to take me to school. Until this afternoon I had not heard from anyone that what was sent in a PM was not to be posted in a public forum. BIG news to me.

I am not a total na�ve fool. (At least I don�t think I am.)

If I sent a PM to FreddyFreeloader and talked about something like problems in my family or personal insecurities, I would expect him to keep those things private. Even if I didn�t specifically ask for privacy, the nature of the exchange would indicate that I expected it. If that privacy were violated it would indicate that Freddy was a scumbag. I think most people would agree.

If someone sent me a PM attacking me, even if they were not threatening me, but attacking me in a way that I thought was beyond the �you�re a moron� kind of thing, I think the sender has surrendered any right of privacy. This would certainly hold if the person were someone I had no relationship with. There is something offensive in a slime ball attacking other people and hiding behind 'the right of privacy'.

Clearly, I am missing something.

Please educate me on the �unwritten� rules of message boards.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:35 am    Post subject: Re: Privacy, PMs and Privilege Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
If someone sent me a PM attacking me, even if they were not threatening me, but attacking me in a way that I thought was beyond the �you�re a moron� kind of thing, I think the sender has surrendered any right of privacy. This would certainly hold if the person were someone I had no relationship with. There is something offensive in a slime ball attacking other people and hiding behind 'the right of privacy'.


I agree with you. But board precedent has always swung the other way. I never understood the logic of an obviously threating/offensive message staying "private".

On the other hand, let's say you and I were in the middle of a flamewar. I decided to "take it to PMs", as moderators advise, and sent you a message continuing the argument. I would do so with the expectation that the message would stay confidential, and that you wouldn't use the receipt of that message as an occasion to embarrass me by making it public and then continuing the public argument: "Hey everyone, I just got a PM from this guy, look what the idiot wrote me now...."

Also, no one could be sure that what you chose to post publicly wasn't edited/altered. You'd be putting words in my mouth. We had a bit of that "did he really write that?" problem today.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think private messages should be renamed to Direct Messages. Isn't that more accurate?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the response, Mr. Lemon, but I still don't get the logic of the second paragraph.

There is just something qualitatively different to calling someone a dolt (which I have done) and threatening to suffocate a jar full of lightening bugs (which I did to get red dog's goat) and even 'threatened' to fire bomb rapier and red dog's apartments (or was it schools?) and to actually say something that plays on someone's legitimate dignity as a human being.

Part of what is bothering me is that I don't know what the rules are. Right now the rules seem arbitrary and obscure and I don't know where to get a clarification.
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rawiri



Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry man but if you are over 50 years of age things like private message conundrums should occupy very very little of your time. Correction...make that 15 years of age.
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Louis



Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Location: USA

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think pm's should stay privat and only be divulged to admins in most cases. Only case I would differ on is when a recruiter or school makes promises via email or pm and then they reneg on it later.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, I would like to ask,
"If you recieved a nasty letter, would you send it to 'Letters to the Editor' of your local newspaper, or would you call the cops?"
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
I think private messages should be renamed to Direct Messages. Isn't that more accurate?


Gold. Pure gold.

Don't worry Quim...I'm sure someone will back you up.

Until then, however, your answer seems to be fairly clear.

Whoops! I missed the cleverness of your rhetorical question.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"If you recieved a nasty letter, would you send it to 'Letters to the Editor' of your local newspaper, or would you call the cops?"


To me, it would depend on if the nasty letter were about doing something illegal and simply revealing what a sh*thead someone really was when they thought no one was looking.
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think that if you're dumb enough to send something in private to anyone on this board you're dumb enough to have your worst side advertised like coca-cola.

seriously - if you're enough of a retard to expect that PMs are going to be kept between you and the lump of dough you're trying to win an inconsequential online argument with then... you are pleading for whatever you get.
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"P" means private.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
Qinella wrote:
I think private messages should be renamed to Direct Messages. Isn't that more accurate?


Gold. Pure gold.

Don't worry Quim...I'm sure someone will back you up.

Until then, however, your answer seems to be fairly clear.

Whoops! I missed the cleverness of your rhetorical question.


Man, I don't even know what all this crap is about, but I'd say the Queen is winning purely on the "making sense" factor. WTF are you on about? You sound like me if I came on here after a 48 hour bender and decided to post while chugging 700 ml of OB a sip.

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On another note, people actually argue in private messages? I always looked at it as a way to say something to someone without the whole netiverse seeing the damn thing. Something like "Hey Joe, let's go grab dinner tomorrow" or something like that. What's with this arguing crap?
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Grumpy old man* D. Carvey


I'm oooooold! And I'm not happy! And I don't like things now compared to the way they used to be. All this progress -- phooey! In my day, we didn't have these fancy message boards and private messaging. If you wanted to use the computer, you'd get in line, seventeen miles long, and the line became an angry mob of people -- fornicators and thieves, mutant children and circus freaks -- and you waited for years and by the time you got to check your email. And that's the way it was and we liked it!

We didn't have computers either...and all these new fangled "ESL Resource" websites! When we taught a class, it was with a textbook that was handed down from person to person as they left Korea and the new one arrived! That's the way it was and we liked it!

Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta, like any form of private correspondence, whether or not a pm should be made public depends on the context. There's a stong case for making threatening or harrassing messages public. However, if someone were to post a pm in order to score points in a petty argument, then I'd say that's just not cricket.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
Ya-ta, like any form of private correspondence, whether or not a pm should be made public depends on the context. There's a stong case for making threatening or harrassing messages public. However, if someone were to post a pm in order to score points in a petty argument, then I'd say that's just not cricket.


But what is cricket?
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