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ChuckECheese

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:55 am Post subject: Iraqi city of Amara taken by Al-Sadr militia |
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Iraq is turning into hell. Militia has just taken over a Iraqi city and the British troop has been dispatched to reinforce the Iraqi troops.
It seem Southern Iraq is trying to break away from Federal government.
Beginning of Iraqi civil war. |
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Meegook

Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Can't be. Cheney just this week said things were going "remarkable well." You really should be ashamed of yourself, contradicting the never wrong Cheney.
""If you look at the general overall situation, they're doing remarkably well." Cheney
Next month, the US will have been fighting in Iraq longer than it did in WWII. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: |
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It has been a civil war for about two years now. Take out the occupational forces that have kept many at bay, and then see what happens.
At one time I was all for an invasion of Iraq, and it would have had to be a full effort of a coalition of the winning,( and not just a few countries that were trying to win favour) until Blitz tabled his report and Powel addressed the UN. The conflicting reports raised some concerns but what really blew it was that Powel was not even convinced himself.
I can't wait to read Powel's book when he gets round to putting things on paper. He is too good of a man to publish anything while Bush is still in office, but I know he has a lot to say.
I remember all the justifications for the invasion from people on this board.
1. The U.S. had 200,000 troops in Saudi to contain Saddam. Not true. The U.S. had 200,000 troops stationed in Saudi with plans to invade.
2. This is a goody. "We aren't gonna lay on our backs and watch planes fly into buildings".
3. The war was justified under humanitarian law. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands and gassed the Kurds. However, there have not been mass graves to prove that amount. Also, while these killings were going on Saddam was being supported by the U.S. Keep in mind that the first time the Kurds were gassed was in 1920 by the British.
The war was poorly planned. The U.S. and the UK thought that they could do it alone without a UN resolution. Who knows how things will go, but my guess is that this war in Iraq is going to get much worse before it gets better.
And Chuck, I'll reply to your other post in a day or so. |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: |
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To take a great qoute from a great movie:
"Inside every Arab, there is an American trying to get out!" Of course the movie was talking about Vietnam, but what's the difference anymore? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: |
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More brain surgeries operated by militiamen wielding drills for the Sunnis. |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: |
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The best part of all this will be the day (and hopefully it is soon, but probably not for another 2 years) when people like me and a few others on this board can come online and report that the last helicopters are taking off from the huge US Embassy Complex in the Emerald City (the Green Zone). On that day we will remind those on this board who supported this foolish war that we were right and you guys were wrong.
Back in Uni, when I went to the candlelight vigils with Jack Layton, the debates in the Uni Centre, and the marches to the US Embassy, we all said the same points:
1. Saddam doesn't have WMD, the 91 war and the following sanctions achived this. TRUE!
2. Despite the Bush Crime Family's assertion to the contrary, Iraq and Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. TRUE!
3. Civil war would be inevitable because Iraq was merely a colonial/failed empire creation and not constructed by any ethnic lines that could create two or three independant states. As well, the various ethnic groups would fight over oil resources. TRUE!
4. No Arab country/populace would ever allow a Western country to invade and occupy their country. TRUE!
As sad as it sounds, when that last helicopter flies off the roof of the embassy I will feel bad for the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi's but this is just the ass kicking America needed to remind it that its power is far from absolute. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: |
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OH, who on this board supported the war before it began?
1. Joo
That's about the only person I can think of. |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Jinju, Gopher there are a few others I'm sure. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Octavius Hite wrote: |
Jinju, Gopher there are a few others I'm sure. |
Gopher? You sure about that?
Jinju? Ok. Not really familiar with his postings. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: |
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BB-OH exchange:
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OH, who on this board supported the war before it began?
1. Joo
That's about the only person I can think of.
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Jinju, Gopher there are a few others I'm sure. |
Gopher started posting here in June 2005, long after the war had begun.
And while I am reluctant to speak on his behalf, it seems to me that he has stated numerous times that he is opposed to the war. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
Gopher started posting here in June 2005, long after the war had begun.
And while I am reluctant to speak on his behalf, it seems to me that he has stated numerous times that he is opposed to the war. |
This is correct. There may have been heated discussions here around winter 2002-2003 on Iraq. I did not participate in them, however.
My position was that the war was a bad idea from the start. I never bought the alleged link between Saddam and bin Laden. And I did not believe that Saddam posed an imminent threat to the United States's national security. I said as much to my two Senators (or at least their staff workers who note such phone calls).
I had much faith (and still do) in Powell, however. So with Powell's speech and endorsement, I guess you could say I accepted it at the time as necessary if not inevitable.
I have come to understand that Powell was deceived and forced into endorsing it against his own reservations and that not only was the war a bad idea, but it has been waged incompetently by poor, apparently corrupt to one degree or another, leaders (esp. W. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld).
This notwithstanding, I think Octavius's confusion comes from the fact that although I feel thus about the war, something about the tone, content, simplistic/propagandistic, leftist aims of the "antiwar" crowd really makes me want to object to and affirmatively oppose them... |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Who supported the war?
TUM is one, and then there's gwangjuboy, who not only expressed support for the war but claimed that it was legal not only by previous UN resolutions, but also under humanitarian law. Wannago is also a full supporter of the war cuz he thinks that America can do what it wants and U.S. defence is not going to be decided by those in the UN.
Saddam was throwing prisoners into woodchippers, and someone had to put an end to that.
I have said before, something had to be done about Iraq and Saddam, It's just that the plan was flawed and for the wrong reasons. If you have a problem with someone, focus on the facts and not pull lies out of your butt. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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you are right, I forgot about TUM and gwangjuboy. There is probably a couple others who are totally escaping me right now. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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supernick wrote: |
2. This is a goody. "We aren't gonna lay on our backs and watch planes fly into buildings". |
And that's EXACTLY what you wanted the U.S. to do (and still do evidently). You know, grab a couple bottles of beer, bring along a pillow, find a nice spot on the grass, wait for the next passenger plane to fly into a building and watch the fireworks.
I've never thought invading Iraq was the best solution, just better than doing nothing, which you would have us do. Yes, going to the UN is doing nothing. The UN is a decrepit organization that needs to be put out of its misery. Perhaps now that the criminal Kofi Annan is leaving there can be some legitimacy restored, but I doubt it.
Before you say that I am a "full supporter" of the war, you might want to consider what I've written before, albeit a long time ago. Namely, that we had to do something. I wouldn't have necessarily chosen this, but it is better than waiting for it to happen again. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Octavius Hite wrote: |
Jinju, Gopher there are a few others I'm sure. |
Nice. One problem dude, look when I joined, then look when the US started this war. Then think. Think hard. Very hard. If you are having problems, ask your boyfriend to put 2 and 2 together for ya. |
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