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Interested
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 Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: The Exodus: 1.6m Iraqis have fled Iraq since the war |
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Out of the population of 26 million, 1.6 million Iraqis have fled the country and a further 1.5 million are displaced within Iraq, according to the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. In Jordan alone there are 500,000 Iraqi refugees and a further 450,000 in Syria. In Syria alone they are arriving at the rate of 40,000 a month.
It is one of the largest long-term population movements in the Middle East since Israel expelled Palestinians in the 1940s. Few of the Iraqis taking flight now show any desire to return to their homes. The numbers compelled to take to the roads have risen dramatically this year with 365,000 new refugees since the bombing of the Shia shrine in Samara in February. |
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1919327.ece |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:28 am Post subject: |
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This is something we should have heard much more about.
Tell us, Dumbya, et. al., what a paradise you've created. |
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cwemory
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Additionally, I wonder how many Iraqis were forced to flee during the 13 years of U.N. sanctions. I'd think that too would be no small number. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| That number should be somnething along the lines of very few, insofar as they would likely have been prevented. Besides which, how many left or did not leave during any other time period provides zero justification for the current situation. However, in this day and age, this sort of sad deflection is the norm, not the exception. |
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cwemory
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Besides which, how many left or did not leave during any other time period provides zero justification for the current situation. |
In what way do you think I was providing justification for the current situation? You must have misunderstood my question.
One of the reasons for my question was that at the time of the invasion, there were over 200,000 registered Iraqi refugees in Iran alone. Because of the current situation, many refuse to return. It would appear to me that those refugees could be added to the number of displaced persons listed already. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| PErhaps I did misunderstand. I don't see the connection.What has refugees under Saddam got to do with refugees now? Just curious about the numbers? |
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Interested
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| PErhaps I did misunderstand. I don't see the connection.What has refugees under Saddam got to do with refugees now? Just curious about the numbers? |
Well many see the sanctions against Saddam's regime as a very cruel punishment of the general population by the West. About 1/2 a million children (under 5?) died as a result of this policy - and it did little to weaken the Saddam regime. In fact, it strenghened it, as people were forced to rely heavily on their government for their actual survival. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Right... so it was all Clinton's fault? I still don't see a **connection**, nor a parallel. I agree about the sanctions, but how is this connected to the war? |
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Interested
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| ELFTrainer wrote: |
| I still don't see a **connection**, nor a parallel. I agree about the sanctions, but how is this connected to the war? |
I'm not sure why you are arguing. Check out the highlighted word...
| cwemory wrote: |
| Additionally, I wonder how many Iraqis were forced to flee during the 13 years of U.N. sanctions. I'd think that too would be no small number. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| cwemory wrote: |
| Additionally, I wonder how many Iraqis were forced to flee during the 13 years of U.N. sanctions. I'd think that too would be no small number. |
when I was in Yemen, I was surprised to discover the large # of iraqis there. A lot of them fled Iraq during the first gulf war (or immediatly after it). A lot of restaurants and stores in the nicest part of Sana'a are owned by Iraqis.
And if piss poor Yemen has a fair number of Iraqis, you can be assured there are even more in Jordan and (as cwmemory noted) Iran. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| PErhaps I did misunderstand. I don't see the connection.What has refugees under Saddam got to do with refugees now? Just curious about the numbers? |
George Herbert Walker Bush started the enforcement of the unreasonable sanctions policy vis-a-vis Iraq. I recall reading that many medical supplies, school supplies, and other necessities could not get into Iraq. Clinton, who had a Republican majority to contend with, simply just reinforced the sanctions in place. It caused untold suffering on the Iraqi people. Madeleine Albright was once asked if the 500,000 dead Iraqis were worth it, referring to the sanctions, and she stated it was worth it to keep that inhumane policy in place. I liked Clinton, overall, but there were definitely bad things that happened under him.
If you compare, however, the amount of refugees produced under this administration and the one seen under the Clinton Administration the difference is quite stark. I personally do not think the Clinton Administration would have engaged in a major war without adequate planning on the president's part. Clinton was well-known when it comes to reading reports, learning about places, names, and connecting with allies. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:00 am Post subject: |
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I wonder how many of them will now end up in the U.S.
God damn that alcoholic cokehead and his wanton social engineering! When will the U.S. finally be free of this malignant Bush family? I've said it before and I'll say it again -- "41" should NOT have survived WWII and lived to breed. It's like we've been forced to live a horrendous alternate history. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
I wonder how many of them will now end up in the U.S.
God damn that alcoholic cokehead and his wanton social engineering! When will the U.S. finally be free of this malignant Bush family? I've said it before and I'll say it again -- "41" should NOT have survived WWII and lived to breed. It's like we've been forced to live a horrendous alternate history. |
just think of how many vietnamese ended up in the states, and i think that'll give you some idea.
at least the vietnamese brought pho and other good food with them. don't think the iraqis will do the same.  |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
I wonder how many of them will now end up in the U.S.
God damn that alcoholic cokehead and his wanton social engineering! When will the U.S. finally be free of this malignant Bush family? I've said it before and I'll say it again -- "41" should NOT have survived WWII and lived to breed. It's like we've been forced to live a horrendous alternate history. |
just think of how many vietnamese ended up in the states, and i think that'll give you some idea.
at least the vietnamese brought pho and other good food with them. don't think the iraqis will do the same. |
Just check 'em for weapons at Customs.
Say, what is Iraqi cuisine like? |
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