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slancaster
Joined: 10 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:20 am Post subject: If my school doesn't withhold pension, what can I do? |
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I've just discovered that my otherwise legitimate academy is not withholding pension monies. I mentioned this to them, saying that I thought it was mandatory for those foreigners from the U.S. and Canada (I'm from the U.S.) but my manager and owner didn't seem to know much about it even though the school is eight-years-old. Supposedly they are looking into it, but what recourse do I have if they indeed choose not to address this issue properly?
Also, if I finish my contract and I decide to continue working in Korea, either with the same employer or a different one, how would I apply for the pension refund? Do I have to wait until I leave the country for good? Thanks. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: |
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a) You can contact the pension office in your area directly and ask them if they are receiving your contribution. When they discover they are not, they will contact your boss.
b) Yes, you will get a refund when you leave the country. You have to go to the office and fill out a short form, show them your plane ticket and provide them with your US bank account number so they can deposit the money after you leave. |
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MollyBloom

Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Location: James Joyce's pants
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I have been having questions about this as well. The private school I will be attending soon does not do the pension plan. I was concerned because I have been reading that a foreign worker that works over 80/hrs a month is required to get it, that it is illegal if you don't pay into it, but if you work under 80 hrs a month it is by the discretion of the school. But the manager of the school and some other people involved said it is to the discretion of the school, thus they don't do it.
I feel really wierd about not getting it because of all the talk on this site, but my boyfriend says we will get bigger paychecks, and if we were to collect the pension when we leave, it would equal around $1200 USD. He agrees it sucks, but he dosen't want to make a big stink about it to the employer and then in turn piss him off, making our year hell.
I guess I am overly cautious/paranoid since I have been reading this board. I feel pretty knowledgeable about a lot of stuff, though I definitely could always learn more. I just want to be careful going into this job because I don't want to get screwed. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: If my school doesn't withhold pension, what can I do? |
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slancaster wrote: |
I've just discovered that my otherwise legitimate academy is not withholding pension monies. I mentioned this to them, saying that I thought it was mandatory for those foreigners from the U.S. and Canada (I'm from the U.S.) but my manager and owner didn't seem to know much about it even though the school is eight-years-old. Supposedly they are looking into it, but what recourse do I have if they indeed choose not to address this issue properly?
Also, if I finish my contract and I decide to continue working in Korea, either with the same employer or a different one, how would I apply for the pension refund? Do I have to wait until I leave the country for good? Thanks. |
If your employer is withholding pension monies, applying for the pension refund would not do you any good. You and your employer would likely have to BACK PAY for the entire year. But yes Mr Ya-ta is correct. |
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kat2

Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Location: Busan, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Since you are from the US, it would do you some good. Yes, you would have to pay a big lump of back payments, but so would your employer. You would still get his contributions back when you leave. So you still come out on top. Call the pension office! |
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slancaster
Joined: 10 Nov 2005
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: |
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MollyBloom wrote: |
Yes, I have been having questions about this as well. The private school I will be attending soon does not do the pension plan. I was concerned because I have been reading that a foreign worker that works over 80/hrs a month is required to get it, that it is illegal if you don't pay into it, but if you work under 80 hrs a month it is by the discretion of the school. But the manager of the school and some other people involved said it is to the discretion of the school, thus they don't do it.
I feel really wierd about not getting it because of all the talk on this site, but my boyfriend says we will get bigger paychecks, and if we were to collect the pension when we leave, it would equal around $1200 USD. He agrees it sucks, but he dosen't want to make a big stink about it to the employer and then in turn piss him off, making our year hell.
I guess I am overly cautious/paranoid since I have been reading this board. I feel pretty knowledgeable about a lot of stuff, though I definitely could always learn more. I just want to be careful going into this job because I don't want to get screwed. |
Is this true? Is the participation in the pension plan for foreign EFL teachers left to the discretion of the schools?
Also, I too am concerned about the repurcussions of my playing a part in my employer having to pay pension funds, if he indeed has been avoiding having to do so. If I don't take action, I stand to lose about $1,500 (I think, from 2.3 mil salary). Is it worth forcing him to pay this sum in light of the potential retaliation I could be subjected to (poor work assignments----I work for an adult-education academy and the work varies; termination; etc.) Am I seeing this with the proper perspective? What would you do? Thanks. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:38 am Post subject: |
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slancaster wrote: |
MollyBloom wrote: |
Yes, I have been having questions about this as well. The private school I will be attending soon does not do the pension plan. I was concerned because I have been reading that a foreign worker that works over 80/hrs a month is required to get it, that it is illegal if you don't pay into it, but if you work under 80 hrs a month it is by the discretion of the school. But the manager of the school and some other people involved said it is to the discretion of the school, thus they don't do it.
I feel really wierd about not getting it because of all the talk on this site, but my boyfriend says we will get bigger paychecks, and if we were to collect the pension when we leave, it would equal around $1200 USD. He agrees it sucks, but he dosen't want to make a big stink about it to the employer and then in turn piss him off, making our year hell.
I guess I am overly cautious/paranoid since I have been reading this board. I feel pretty knowledgeable about a lot of stuff, though I definitely could always learn more. I just want to be careful going into this job because I don't want to get screwed. |
Is this true? Is the participation in the pension plan for foreign EFL teachers left to the discretion of the schools?
Also, I too am concerned about the repurcussions of my playing a part in my employer having to pay pension funds, if he indeed has been avoiding having to do so. If I don't take action, I stand to lose about $1,500 (I think, from 2.3 mil salary). Is it worth forcing him to pay this sum in light of the potential retaliation I could be subjected to (poor work assignments----I work for an adult-education academy and the work varies; termination; etc.) Am I seeing this with the proper perspective? What would you do? Thanks. |
It is NOT true.
It has been mandatory for foreign workers to have pension since 1999
http://www.nps4u.or.kr/eng/enpsk.html?code=./enpsk/a06.html
and medical has been required since Jan 2006.
Schools try to avoid it because it increases their cost of a foreign teacher by 4.5% (their contribution towards your pension).
You can discreetly make an enquiry about your pension. When they tell you there is nothing, you can quietly complain about it. The pension office will look into it from there.
they can be reached at:
http://www.nps4u.or.kr/eng/g-index.html
or by calling 1355 from any phone.
The main office is at:
Kukmin-yeonkum Building, 7-16 Shincheon-dong, Songpa-gu, Seoul 138-725, Korea
Tel:82-2-2240-1114, Fax:82-2-418-6894 |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: |
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MollyBloom wrote: |
Yes, I have been having questions about this as well. The private school I will be attending soon does not do the pension plan. I was concerned because I have been reading that a foreign worker that works over 80/hrs a month is required to get it, that it is illegal if you don't pay into it, but if you work under 80 hrs a month it is by the discretion of the school. But the manager of the school and some other people involved said it is to the discretion of the school, thus they don't do it. |
They are wrong. You are right. 80 hours/month is mandatory pension. Less than 80 is their discretion.
If they are a private school, and don't contribute to National pension, then they must enroll you in whatever private pension plan they have. One way or the other, if you work 80 hours/month, they are required to enroll you in a pension plan.
Call the pension people at 1355. They'll tell you the same. |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Double check with your boss, b/c maybe his/her English isn't good enough to figure out what you're saying. It's mandatory.
Also, check with your local pension office. Here's a list with pension offices in the country, with directions on how to get to each one.
http://wiki.galbijim.com/National_Pension_Offices
(There's also one in Bundang that isn't listed on there . . .) |
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