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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| ddeubel wrote: |
Sure killing is ALWAYS bad. But it is happening and we'd better try to understand why, rather than just label.
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Calling a spade a spade is not labeling. If you blow yourself up along with dozens of other non-combatants all too deliberately, you are a terrorist. If you blow up a sacred mosque in order to incite an all out civil war, you are a terrorist. If you and your Shi'a buddies respond by pulling people out of their homes and drilling holes in their heads while they are alive, you are a terrorist.
Isn't the entire criticism of the US' conduct in the War on Terror that they are detaining and torturing innocents?
You seem to suggest that Ya-Ta needs to tie in a condemnation of the atrocities many Iraqis are committing against each other with some sort of equivocal condemnation of the West, or he is promoting ethnocentric labeling. That is such a stark and obvious strawman. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| I think my main point is that no matter what your ideal is, you have no right to committ serial mass murder to achieve that goal. |
Yata. Given this, then I think your statement is meaningless in regards to the situation in Iraq. Why? Well, all those engaged in war CANNOT BUT commit what you call "serial mass murder". Please adjust your glasses. There is not a war or a party to thereof, that is exempt.
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hmmm, they could attack police, soldiers, and other "instruments" of governments (which they do as well). But to go into a market with a loaded car to blow it up? Are you going to tell me that is necessary? That it is just a part of war? What strategy is there in doing that other than creating terror? Please enlighten us.
What exactly is the benefit, other than terror, in blowing up a sacred mosque?
I eagerly wait enlightment. Thanks in advance. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
What exactly is the benefit, other than terror, in blowing up a sacred mosque?
I eagerly wait enlightment. Thanks in advance. |
What exactly is the benefit, other than terror, in invading Iraq in the first place?
I eagerly wait enlightment. Thanks in advance.
(And, no I do not accept or support the killing of civilians in a "war" (When, exactly, did Congress declare war? Only congress can, you know...) ... by anybody.) |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
What exactly is the benefit, other than terror, in blowing up a sacred mosque?
I eagerly wait enlightment. Thanks in advance. |
What exactly is the benefit, other than terror, in invading Iraq in the first place?
I eagerly wait enlightment. Thanks in advance.
(And, no I do not accept or support the killing of civilians in a "war" (When, exactly, did Congress declare war? Only congress can, you know...) ... by anybody.) |
You're asking the wrong person. I didn't support invading Iraq to begin with. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Still, the question stands on its own. |
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Interested
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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What exactly are all these people dying for?
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The best answer can only come from those people who feel that blowing up housewives going about their business of shopping for the family makes a positive political statement. |
If the incompetent Bush administration hadn't invertently created the power vacuum that followed the invasion, those thugs blowing up housewives might never have found their vocation in life. Both the British and the US army tried to warn the neocons of the dangers of a poor postinvasion plan (including warning against disbanding local security and military forces) - but those woolly headed ideologues would not pay any attention. But as they have learnt to their cost, once chaos is unleashed... it is extremely difficult to reign it in.
Imagine if a foreign power invaded say London or New York and took out the authorities there, disbanding the local police and military, and yet failed to provide adequate alternative security. Chaos would ensue. Believe me, dark forces would be unleashed, even amongst our lovely Anglosaxon populations.
The neocons deserve to take some of the blame for the sectarian killings going on in present day Iraq. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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I understand what Interested is saying and even agree with it a little bit, but the reason I can't completely agree is because that position shifts the blame from the real cause to a contributing cause.
Yes, it was a mistake to disband the civil authority in Iraq. A mistake. A bad plan. Lousy policy. Blowing up innocent victims with a car bomb is not a mistake. It is wrong. It is morally and ethically wrong. It is not the result of a policy decision gone wrong. It is a deliberate act whose goal is to kill random innocent people. |
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