Korean Job Discussion Forums

[bixlerscott]

Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew how to find Korean international business institutes that might be looking to employ native English speakers with Bachelor of Science in International Business degrees or just business degrees?
I found some on the east coastal areas of China that look very attractive in a way that might lead to a highly rewarding career in international business in the long term, but pay is only about U.S. $500 per month. This would not be enough to pay student loans and travel, nor have an emergency fund set up such as for a rush flight home for a funeral should the need occur. My experience with international business course instructors from China at my American university were a very most positive experience that has me inspired for a long term career focus in international business, while I am willing to put on the many hats it will involve such as teaching English, business terminology, western accounting concepts, trade strategies, and partnership dynamics. Korea looks to be a real pivitol point in international business with it's central Asian location, thus, they may be able to use junior level professional people 25 to 35 years of age who are not in demand in the American professional job market. I would go ahead and get an international business career started now in export/import of goods as well as currencies trading started if I had money to invest, but I first need to develop a career first to build the finances and portfolio. Interested and willing to start with teaching English, terminology, and western ideas. I am willing to wear suits and do as the Romans do when in Rome.

[jmbran11]

I'm not sure if I understood your question, but I think your are asking if you can jumpstart a career in international business with teaching English "internationally" or possibly teaching "international business English." If that is what you want to know, I will tell you - absolutely not. It's the wrong way to go. Generally speaking, an English teacher is a teacher, nothing else, and will not be offered a more corporate opportunity absent running into some very chance miracle contacts. You won't be permitted to teach "international business" courses at any university here without a graduate degree, and any course you teach will be a language course only (even if you teach to "business" students).

If your goal is to build a reputation in business, do something in business (anything). However, this will be unlikely for you in Korea without an MBA from a fairly well-known school. If you are under the impression that Asia is so underdeveloped that your specialized B.A. in international business will be fairly attractive, I think you are misleading yourself. I have a Master's Degree in Intn'l. Economics and a law degree from top-5 U.S. schools, and I currently work for the largest company in Korea teaching only business courses to executives - but I am still an English teacher and will never be permitted to transfer to the consulting department or the strategists' groups or management or anything that doesn't involve a classroom.

I don't mean to be negative; I just want you to have a clear picture. Maybe there is someone on this forum who has made the leap and can tell you how to do it. However, on the flip side, if you want to earn some money, meet some great people, and travel while saving up for your MBA, Korea can be a great place. Personally, I love it, but I'm under no delusions about my potential for long-term career development here.

[PRagic]

Likewise, I mean no offense, but it would probaby benefit the OP if he/she were a native speaker. The competition is fierce, especially considering the advantages bestowed upon foreigners with Korean parents (Kyopo).

To jmbran11, I would ask why, with your qualifications, you favor corporate land over university employment? Just curious. To each their own.

[buylow sellhigh]

I believe it would be rather difficult to move from teaching biz english to taking up a role in international business. I work in the international business division of my company and we receive a ton of resumes from english teachers that would like to work in our division, they usually go straight into the garbage. Realistically, most people that are highly qualified for jobs in this field, dont want to spend a year or more of the most productive stage of their lives doing something that doesnt improve their qualifications and abilities in this field. We dont even consider applicants that dont speak Korean and have a solid background in our field. Even though my actual work requires only english, being able to speak Korean is a tremendous advantage in understanding what is being said in morning meetings and sharing information between coworkers.

It is very hard to get your foot into the door in this field, but teaching english offers no realistic advantage. You would be better off taking a very menial role in your actual desired career field and demonstrating your abilities. With that in mind, I do know of one poster on this board that is a good friend of mine that did teach english and then went on to working in international business development for a large Korean company, but I do believe he is the exception.

[PRagic]

Great insights. So what did YOU do prior to scoring the international business job in Korea? You speak Korean? Are you Korean-American/Korean-Canadian...? How did you get the job?

A shame that you circular file resumes from teachers. Most of the teachers I know here have a load of experience in a variety of fields, but are taking a breather or simply changing careers. Some might want back in, but also want to stay in Korea. I teach at university, but I have a ton of experience in trade, FDI, and PR/IR product development. I'm not looking to make the jump to corporate land, but it still is a blow to hear that my resume wouldn't make it to someone's desk, even with an MBA and a Ph.D.!

[pavement burns]

Just awaiting my copy of Mintzberg's, "The Strategy Process" and I am sure the topic of career transitions is discussed in it somewhere. Korea may uniquely require fewer international business educated foreign professionals than are required elsewhere at this time but this reality is not indicative of globalizing trends here or in other Asian nations as the future growth strategies of companies are always fairly uncertain.

The future strategic management needs of Korean companies or other companies which still attempt to claim nationalized hiring patterns are always as of yet undetermined. It is the nature of strategy to be adapted often to exceed the competition. However the local market is perhaps saturated with well-educated Koreans. Fifteen years ago 70% of the local garments manufacturing was also still in Korea.

However Korea and Koreans do have a declared future role as an Asian hub to attract foreign talent and knowledge base on a par with or to exceed a possible benchmark such as Singapore. However current localized R & D is still not a huge market or destination for FDI in ROK. So far Koreans appear reluctant to globalize their managerial cadres. Locally it might provoke claims that such companies were being un-Korean.

However a western education is often just not enough to determine competitive advantage. Obviously, as any English instructor attempting or succeeding in the transition the question is, "How does a foreigner convince a local that there might be an easier or more effective way to make a profit?" Anyone able to do that will at times hold value to the right employers. At this time it would be quite a niche market. But it often does not take long for things to change here. Just never say never. That is a core principal of entrepreneurialism. Furthermore, one can never be paid enough for excellent thus accurate research.

[bixlerscott]

Thanks everyone for the interesting discussions; keep up the good work of exchanging ideas, facts, knowledge, etc... Here is some more I was thinking about today on my day off upon reading your responses. I always greatly appreciate the honest truths from highly experienced and educated professionals. I know your time is very valuable due to the obligations of opportunities committed to. I know it's kinda long, but I just can't help it with such complex ideas. Thanks again.

I can see how globalization of economies has matured to a point where companies today normally only demand the best of the best qualified (i.e. Requirements: 5 to 10 years executive level experience, BSBA, and MBA) to just hit the ground running in a level 1 salaried position ($30K/year) when it comes to decently rewarding business oriented jobs (little or no entry-level programs with the exception of Wall Street firms bringing on Ivy League grads; not considering the healthcare and trucking industries).
It appears we over produced educated professionals during the 1990's, leading to today�s' climate of over saturation with employers expecting too much for most college graduates to have achieved this early in the game (i.e. has not yet held professional position for 3 years minimum yet); thus; excluding many less experienced young adults 23 to 35 years of age. This relatively new job market climate hanging around since around 2001, excludes many recent college graduates from developing meaningful and satisfying career opportunities without ability to pay student loan debt, which leads to the need of creating and self leading a career through entrepreneurship as many professors in recent years taught us. (I.e. For your professional career development, you must create through self leadership, vision, and execution of unique and workable entrepreneurial plans, but no longer expect a company to manufacture and give you a career for you like it might had been in your parents day)

With the knowledge of the necessity to self lead and design a rewarding career, rather than a company doing this for you as traditionally done through employment, often, the problem though, as in my case, a recent college graduate lacks finances to invest; thus; needs a decent salary for a few years just as his/her predecessors had 10 or more years ago to jump start their careers immediately upon college graduation while immediately quitting their young adult/teenager professions of retail sales pawn on a marble floor that feels like a giant chess board of irregular shape, flap jack browner, aspiring burger sizzler, fry daddy slipping on � inch thick grease floor, minimum waged garbage slinger in service of rear building ops, executive sweater folder for front line presentation, cubicle call center labyrinth grub in service to pissed off misled consumers, coffee maestro hitting high notes with the clietele, $8/hour mortgage refinance loan application taker working under biz prez making $400K/year during refinance boom, $8/hour Unix based accounts receivable processor for a tri-star brand of business class car and private biz jets loan and lease accounts, and performing arts equipment handler for the superstars. These are a sampling, but not all of, of my experiences; great for young dudes and dudettes, but there come a time to move up in the world and achieve more.

We have people of all skill and qualification levels in our retail stores here in Saint Louis, Missouri; from GED all the way up to master degrees working for less than $10/hour, but yet so many possess great potential if their niche is located soon enough in life. In fact my boss only has a GED, while I have a H.S. Diploma, AA degree, and BSBA degree, as well as several years experience assessing diverse situations, prioritizing tasks, and leading teams in the U.S. Army and a couple years of engineering related experience in GIS cartography before having earned a bachelors. (A very well paying career track that went dead in late 2001 leading to going back to school for a bachelors with studies in business, technology, and finance; locally and globally with special emphasis in doing business in Asia and Latin American countries while learning the nuts and bolts of organizations)


While teaching English may not be the first career option desire to many recent graduates (i.e. We really need accessible professional development programs of employment with straight entry into our career fields of interest to start building wealth and experience while serving an important long-term need to a great growing forward conceptual company), teaching English is an opportunity to see and learn about the world, an opportunity to save up a little critical career starting money, and an opportunity to be paid twice than the going rate of low wage service jobs at home, previously mentioned, that people of all walks of life fill simply out of personal financial need until more meaningful and rewarding opportunities in a niche of industry are obtainable, if ever. On the other hand, many mid to senior level professionals who graduated 10 or more years ago had no problem obtaining $35K to $40K a year career opportunity offers upon obtaining a bachelors degree may feel that teaching English for $24,000 per year seams totally unacceptable for the level of risk taken and greater potential possibilities, but you got to consider that a typical fulltime job for a young adult as a generic hourly waged service pawn for less than $10/hour in post turn of the 21st century times, regardless of qualifications, at home only is paying $12,000 to $16,000 per year with little or no benefits such as healthcare insurance, pension, bonuses, etc. All my friends and associates in the U.S. who are 20 to 35 years of age or either broke, but working full-time on their feet or are well off and comfortable due to rich parents serving it up on a silver platter with a golden spoon!!! No middle ground to be seen in this demographic of people, unless we are talking about people in the healthcare professions; not interested a least bit in those career opportunities in the glutonous cash cow healthcare system that over medicates geriatrics, while the majority of working class Americans get little or no healthcare whatsoever or even paid sick days off.

As little as 8 years ago it was de facto for a non-medical major, to land a $30K to $40K per year job through a recruiter who visited the university career services office to make the social face-to-face connections with students a few months before earning a bachelors or at least the following summer to set up employment. Modern college graduates (except Ivy Leaguers and 4.0 GPA laude) are directed to go on the internet with no recruiters at career services and end up with the same pay and job satisfaction as before college. Typically due to global economic pressures and strict cost control measures to increase profits within companies and simplifying the org structure to a flat system where you have low paid service people and super high paid executives leading to a fact that there is no ladder of organization to advance in; just a job doing a business process and no more. I know English teaching in the ROK is the same, but it must be examined by candidates in the perspective of whether it�s a good stepping stone. I can see how it is a terrific thing to do for 1 to 3 years. Modern careers involve putting on many hats in many gigs, unlike in the 20th century where people stayed with the same company or in a profession all their entire career and received a pension for life. There is no longer a direct planned lineage of career based off of what you majored in during undergraduate studies.

It appears a qualified talent shortage may be coming to your block in the next decade as executives are already complaining about the lack of qualified people with business savvy and technical competencies, but yet have hundreds of thousands of college graduates floating around in all major U.S. cities who possess great potential, while the executives are not willing to invest in the necessary training programs of employment to develop the needed future professional leaders and highly technically competent engineers so people from opposite sides of the globe are seizing the opportunities in America and other countries!!! The connections between executives and graduating students are not happening like they once did.

So this gives light to do what it takes to catapult you to the top to someday be a finance business professional jet setting superstar in small modest increments building upon one another. (i.e. ESL teacher for 3 years, go home for masters, enterprise eBay biz and hopefully work for a tuition reimbursing healthcare insurance providing company at the same time, then join a company or university at professional level of employment after having achieved this much, and drive on into an exciting future; all while executing the strategy of wealth building. Hell, you might even take a side track and become a rock superstar or CEO or a world class anthropologist or a great lecturer or a jet setting video documentary scientist on a part time basis at different times in life!!  Fun highly rewarding jobs are only created by a series of wealth building activities over the years since a person graduated college, but usually not by accident, unless a relative or friend turns you on to something. It must still be possible to earn a satisfying career with meaningful connections leading to bigger and better realized aspirations.

It really does not take much money to get into international trading (yes, new highly competitive economic dynamics are the norm as the world increasingly goes through cycles of trying to balance out to the point, someday, a Big Mac and a Coke will cost the same everywhere and the jobs pay the same everywhere; thus; international trade exploits are closed, hopefully not another killed career situation) on a smaller than corporate scale in bringing unique products from the world to other parts of the world were said products may sell well; the practical integral international business career strategy.

I can realistically see how an individual could teach English for 2 to 5 years, saving up $20,000 to $50,000 in the ROK while learning how to get around Asia and obtain goods that could lead to a growing business enterprise if adequate profit margins are realized along with reinvestment of some profits into a sustainable flow of goods enterprise. This dream of financial independence while acquiring great knowledge, experience, and power can and must be achieved by those who are imbued with the interpersonal need and drive to succeed in an increasingly mechanistic society where satisfying work and meaningful connections are integral as to not starve or be at risk of not making ends meet in the 21st century.

[buylow sellhigh]

Yes, I am a kyopo, born in the states, but speak enough Korean to get by. Then again, the Korean that I speak is conversational Korean, which helps very little in strategy meetings or market presentations. I am still learning the business Korean. I went to work for a venture capital company that recruited me as a senior in college. I did that for almost 2 years, then went to law school, worked as a judicial clerk, then district attorney�s office handling misdemeanor cases.

Moved to Korea in late 2005 to study Korean, and started working here right away. Whether in Korea or the U.S., getting a great job without experience depends on who you know. If there are 10 inexperienced candidates with similar academic backgrounds, then logically, the advantage will go to the son-in-law, nephew, friend�s son, etc� of someone with influence in the company.

One of the major hurdles for english-speaking foreigners acquiring non-teaching jobs is the abundance of Koreans that have attended boarding school and university in the states then return to Korea speaking excellent english and perfect Korean. Many of the Koreans that I attended boarding school with, I now bump into now that we work in similar industries.

[pavement burns]

Relevant, complex, useful articles

Working Paper: Finding A New Way For Business Schools http://www.unc.edu/~gdhughes/Work2005.htm

Teaching Business Across Cultures: A First Person Experience
http://abe.villanova.edu/proc2000/n074.pdf

Teaching Business Communication to Native and Non-Native Speakers http://www.businesscommunication.org/conventions/Proceedings/2005/PDFs/04ABCEurope05.pdf

Teaching Entrepreneurship to Engineers http://www.asu.edu/ui/entrepreneurship/news/documents/TeachingEntrepreneurshiptoEngineers.pdf

The Value of Mentoring
http://www.scied.science.doe.gov/SciEd/JUR_v3/pdfs/JUR3_mentoring.pdf

Can We Succeed In Teaching Business Students To Write Effectively?
http://bcq.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/69/3/257.pdf

Literary Models for Teaching Business Ethics: Shakespeare's Henry V
http://lilt.ilstu.edu/cvarne2/Teaching%20Business%20Ethics.pdf

Distance Learning Across Borders: Cultural Imperialism or Intellectual Independence? http://www.col.org/colweb/site/pid/3632

[jmbran11]

[bixlerscott]

Those are excellent studies "Burning Pavement" posted links to. Thank you very much. Yes, I know Korea is an old world Confucian society with old fashioned ideology embedded in a modern high tech fabric on the verge of going global, but not just quite there yet. Anyone smell opportunity for resiliant and flexible honest opportunists[??? Or is it the other way around?

Now I understand why my 17th century style Newtonian science based business degree has little value in todays job market as specific knowledge on managing knowledge networks (i.e. candidate possessing knowledge like established contacts in China as a result of experience on who can manufacture the airplane parts for Boeing at the lowest cost) is more valuable over the analytical abilities to calculate probabiltiies and theoretical financial outcomes (the ability to calculate how much to charge the Chinese for the parts, but not knowledge on where to start or who to talk to) using complex equations that rely on traditional economic dynamics that may no longer apply to the 21st century like perfectly cut pieces to a puzzle as was the case before these changing times of post 9/11, today. Bringing knowledge on managing knowledge networks to the table is why most employers today require all these years of specific professional experience to get a decent salaried opportunity( even with level 1 positions) that most college graduates lack so we have a highly educated and over qualified, but lowly compensated retail sector coming about during the past 5 years as a result.

The business schools (as well as other academic areas) should verify with CEO's, engineers, and scientists regularly if thier programs are meeting needs in producing wanted graduates!!!! It is a fact and should be known, the majority of education leaders are not doing a damned thing to help as they sit in their comfortable offices acting like it's still the 20th century set in thier old ways, not realizing the needs of todays students and employing organizations. They are too comfortable on thier big fat salaries supported by our huge student loan debts as a result of all the propaganda we have been fed in the lines of, go to college, graduate, and ye shall have the priveledge of joining middle class America!!!! Total hogwash!!! It's corruption of social engineering in America at it's finest!!! Not Fair!!!! They made us study so much tedious advanced math and memorize terms and textbook concepts rotely for thousands of hours, all for nothing!!!! They need to forgive our student loans, eat the losses on account of being lazy and set in thier ways, and give us another chance in America to achieve this so called, "American Dream".

Sure, you might think, then just go achieve it and quit complaining. Well, it takes money, debt reduction, and investment which require a great deal more finances than an average job pays that a typical graduate has ($9/hour with no benefits) to make it and that needed money does not grow on trees unless reletives are passing their fruits down to you. Welcome to the age of new Aristocracy, the new Gilded Age; it no longer is the golden age of the 20th century, at least not for young adults and our children.

Of course a recent college graduate is not going to have this valuable knowledge of specifics in the global economy or even in thier home city becuase business schools do not present these specifics as they too lack this knowledge, but are still high paid to lead us through textbooks; you have to go fetch the social connections and knowledge specifics through travel and networking with people which costs time and effort which is in supply, but also critically requires money a broke graduate working for beans lacks. Bear in mind that a recent graduate without a decent employment offer, might only have a bank account balance of $100 or even negative with little expected future cash inflows while having $20K to $40K of student loan debt with little or no tangible equities, not to mention, the ability to have a car and own a property. Also, if the graduate is not doing anything now with thier degree, what makes you think they will do something in the future, regardless of intense desire and motivation to do so? Junk degrees depreciate down to little or no value in just a few short years while the debt lingers on for 25 years. Pretty annoying facts of living in this time period. Simply being educated and smart does not exclude you automatically from poverty as common propagand teaches in America.

Good thing I did acquire numerous, "soft", skills in the U.S. Army Europe, not taught in the science based university curriculum such as management of resources and time, team leading, priorizing tasks objectively, and multicultural social dynamics; all with the needs of the organizational objectives at hand. While I may not have the money to travel for networking, I am going on my skills gained to experience coupled with education, along with being 10 years older than most recent graduates due to 8 years of military service served and 2 years experience in solo GIS field data collection.

Perhaps immersing myself into Asian culture through teaching of English(while being taught myself a few lessons! Not that I think I will change thier way of thinking over there, but I am sure my way of thinking will be changed forever through thier influence) by whatever means viable is a way to bring some valid experience to the table in an American company with the need or desire to do business in Asia in several years from now, possibly coupled with some highly specialized masters degree as that is in demand big time(can't plan that yet as the future will bring drastic changes to current dynamics of it all).

I am always looking for a way to add value through gaining knowledge, not simply gaining fancy pieces of paper and presenting a long technically written 2 page resume unlike most previous applicants. The decision makers do not know what to think when they see my resume (many in the 22 to 35 year age group fit this) due to my highly interdiciplinary development that does not fit to a common 20th century norm or mold like most of today's older decision makers have in mind!!! So they just throw our resumes away and ignore the talant knocking at thier doors while complaining they lack valid candidates with business savvy and technical competence!!!!

Our new ideas just fly over thier heads and they just sit dumb founded in thier easy chairs thinking about what would be good to eat to pack on a few more pounds while worrying if the Cardinals are winning the game!!!! Nonsense!!! They're just stewards of thier own wealth; not competent professionals partaking in a value adding role of benefit to all stakeholders of thier organizations and industries!!! If these senior decision makers were willing to develop the newly needed fresh talant (ME!!!), then they would have continuous supply of leadership and technical developed talant to employ through operating entry-level oriented mentor training programs of employment for the first several years of a candidates employment as they did so traditionally!!!

The baby boomers enjoyed this sort of opportunity to jump start thier careers upon college graduation; the educators, polititians, business leaders who are overly rich, fat, and comfortable while failing young America needs who trickle all thier fruits of labor up to them in a system of stingy low pay, deception, and greed!!!!! I could kick myself in the knee for being gullable enough to fall for the University of Missouri education propaganda, getting that fancy degree, and racking up $38K in debt; all for nothing but a huge headache!!!! Uggghh!!

Perhaps the coming big revolution will be centered around America's collapse, not some other country's fall (i.e. Iraq). Not that I wish for this, but it's becoming more and more clearly evident in our daily lives as the old ones have set us up for failure in too many ways to count. In fact, my only wish for myself and our great nation called America is to be possible and successful in a sustainable manner.

Thank you for your time today; I am NOT hallucinating, having dillusions of grender, or a stupid idiot, or dreaming this up; it's for real.

May the truth be known people!!!!!!! And thats your lesson in Brainfarting 101 for today kiddies... For class tomarrow, be sure to have memorized each and every theoretical concept, terminologies, and input necessary variable values into the complex equations based on 17th to 20th century dynamics so you can be a future 21st century business and technology leader. Bogus shit!!!! LMAO majorly!!!!!!!

[pavement burns]

Business lecturers in higher education : outsider reputations, insider values http://www.leeds.ac.uk/educol/documents/000000678.htm

A wonderful article detailing: insiderism, outsiderism, refugeeism, politicalism, enforced migrationism, odd-ballism, misfitism, nomadism, touristicality, epistemologicalism, pedagoism and tribal affiliationism for as of 1997 less than 17% of business lecturers possessed a first degree in business or management.

[PRagic]

IMHO, the OP needs to get rid of the ol' chip on the shoulder and just do something. Arm chair executives and executive recruiters are a dime a dozen. Success follows trial and error...and effort.

[bixlerscott]

Hey, PRagic (and anyone else interested), I went out and bought me a fancy executive type armchair to sit in while I do my thinking, research on 101 worldly topics each day, computing with my trusty 7 pound plastic box of Asian technology wonders, communicating with the world with my armchair executive device(this computer!), YouTube video viewing hours on end(when I am off work), and writing. So I suppose I am now an ARMCHAIR EXECUTIVE. HA! HA! HA! LMAO! Majorly I think this is cute and funny as can be on what PRagic wrote in response to my post. Thanks for the laugh, I needed a laugh to improve my health!!!

I got one of those big fancy arm chairs with cabriole cherry wood legs, large back part, and victorian upholstry (it even speaks perfect English out of a speaker in the arm of it better than I can!) like you would see in places with marble floors such as high flutin tutin' jetsetter type hotels! In fact, I live in one of those old historic hotels with a chandelier from Austria that is bigger than the moon that U.S. presidents like Harry Truman and dignitaries stayed in when visiting St. Louis up until 1975. But it's not expensive place anymore. With it's super duper armored solid construction, it makes a great place for armchair executives to hide out in America's most dangerous city. LMAO!!! Majorly.

Armchair executive, this is one cute little projectile you shot at me to humiliate me for demonstrating my honest mindset. LMAO!!

(off topic) Uh, is anyone's reletives highly worried that your gonna get nuked while teaching in Korea? Mine are. How irrational. They live in rural Midwest USA. I honestly told them my personal safety is highly at risk here in St. Louis. Go figure. They been kept ignorant and fed irrational fears by our censored bias media!!! LMAO!! In fact, St. Louis, MO is the most dangerous city to live and walk around in and I am in that yucky f*ck place being an armchair executive looking to take some action in obtaining a fun, exciting, adventurous career opportunity that allows adequate funds (uh, at least $24,000/year is sufficient not to be crass) to live on while paying student loans and maybe even socking a litta away in a Scottrade account diversified mutual fund!!!! With my new Scottrade online account, I will be the ultimate armchair CEO!!!! LMAO!!!!!

OK, I give in, I was trained to be a, "jack of trades", in the U.S. Army (yes, I supported freedom and democracy in Europe managing an Army kitchen 80 hours a week) and trained to be a business executive (financial analyst/economist/CEO) in business school (in real life) afterwards and understand those corrupt (not my style) armchair execs in power well and even dress like one regularly in attempt to look like I am worth a billion United States dollars (really it's just the dress code at a fancy executive goods department store all decked out in gorgeous green marble I sell goods for to earn a small hourly wage pittance with not even a sales commission just to make ends meet while in this craphole city of aristocrats and frustrated impoverished poor souls (huge gap between poor and rich with little in-between)that is overstated with a large shiny steel arch on the banks of the mighty Missisippi), but do not consider myself to be of executive class (or even middle class) due to low income and lack of demand for my hard earned Newtonian styled business science degree and skills. This job market today demands people who have social connections to make business happen at the lowest cost, not a true honest less experienced professionals with skills and talant!!!! People everyday think I am so filthy rich (simply becuase I bathe everyday and wear nice clothes) that they act like I owe them something and beg when I walk the streets and ride trains in St. Louis, Missouri. I just tell them to get a job and that I really am not some armchair executive like I appear to be with my fancy classic traditional American made suits and ties I bought at a Goodwill store. LMAO!!!

Bachelor of Arts degrees tend to be in demand more so in todays job market than the scientific armchair executive BSBA degrees like mine. LMAO! $40,000 of debt and 4 years wasted due to me being gullable and naive enough to believe the common propaganda that you join middle or upper class America by achieving a really challenging bachelors degree and serving in the U.S. Army in support of freedom and democracy. (not funny one bit) Uhhggg! Uh, now I know this after investing in a really challenging analytical type science degree that required 20,000 hours of solving equations, analyzing hypothetical situations, $38,000 of debt, and well... learning how to be an armchair executive. LMAO! People get the missiles out, the Dept. of Education, the damned aristocrats, and state ran universities duped us younger adults in America!!! (it's true) LMAO majorly!!! I just hope (and sincerely trying through action) I can be possible and successful in today's world as it's an economic and social struggle of fear here at home beyond rediculousness. Very formidable challenge that is not adequately rewarding. Thats all I for you today with all due respects, people.

[PRagic]

Seriously, what are you ON? You haven't been trained to be a business executive if you only have a BA (or BS). Actually, even with an MBA, you haven't been trained to be an executive; educated, maybe, trained, no.

Get the chip off of your shoulder and get over here if that is what you intend to do. Work, and at least get started doing something. Just IMHO, but your rants go nowhere.