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NAVFC
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On the other hand
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| More empty northern threats or the real deal? Who knows |
I would guess empty threats. What exactly could NK do to SK? Annihilate it with bombs? That would defeat the whole purpose of demanding aid from the south in the first place. Like threatening to cut up your dad's credit card if he doesn't lend it to you for the weekend.
The only reason the North is talking tough to South Korea is because they have to talk tough to someone, and if they talked like this to China they'd be eating human carcasses for lunch in a matter of months. |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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The only reason the North is talking tough to South Korea is because they have to talk tough to someone, and if they talked like this to China they'd be eating human carcasses for lunch in a matter of months.
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Meegook
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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And the US sending a large portion of their naval fleet into the Persian Gulf off the coast of Iran isn't itching and perhaps setting up another 'incident' to as an excuse to start a war with Iran?
You people only see what you want to see. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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The Norks have zero respect for the South and its government. The fact that the day of the test was scheduled to coincide with Ban's approval by the Security Council is evidence of that, if any more were needed. Even more ironical is that Ban is a leading Uri Party theorist on how to deal with the North.
I read the situation this way: KJI believes he is the sole legitimate ruler of both Koreas and the South has only two functions--cash cow and shield for the North.
When the South even looks like it might do something KJI doesn't want, they deserve to be slapped down and publically humiliated again in order to keep them toeing the DPRK line.
I'm wondering if the threat this time refers to armed infiltrators. From the time I arrived in '94 until DJ went north in '00, every year there were armed infiltrators sent to the South and the military had to be sent up into the mountains to shoot them down. |
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flint
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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And the US sending a large portion of their naval fleet into the Persian Gulf off the coast of Iran isn't itching and perhaps setting up another 'incident' to as an excuse to start a war with Iran?
You people only see what you want to see. |
Actually it hard to see anything when wankers like you use abnormally large fonts to spam pages with. |
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flint
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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The only reason the North is talking tough to South Korea is because they have to talk tough to someone, and if they talked like this to China they'd be eating human carcasses for lunch in a matter of months.
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Yeah. It would be interesting to know what exactly China said that made Little Kim apologize. |
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Meegook wrote: |
| You only see what you want to see. |
This applies to you better than anyone else  |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| More empty northern threats or the real deal? Who knows |
I would guess empty threats. What exactly could NK do to SK? Annihilate it with bombs? That would defeat the whole purpose of demanding aid from the south in the first place. Like threatening to cut up your dad's credit card if he doesn't lend it to you for the weekend.
The only reason the North is talking tough to South Korea is because they have to talk tough to someone, and if they talked like this to China they'd be eating human carcasses for lunch in a matter of months. |
China would close the border. No more imports, exports, or aid. Let them starve and freeze a little, and then invade. North Korea soldiers would have no choice but to surrender (can't fight a war on an empty stomach). North Koreans would welcome the Chinese soldiers handing out bags of rice. |
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mindmetoo
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| My understanding of Korean culture is when one brother stumbles, he goes with the utmost humility to his other brother to ask for help. The Norks demand help as their right. And the Soks just kowtow. Weird. |
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ChuckECheese
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It's amazing to me when over 50% of young Koreans in 20s and 30s think that NK's primary enemy is the U.S. and NK would not attack the South. They also think that if it wasn't for the U.S., they would have everlasting peace and maybe peaceful unification.
I just wonder why they have the world's most heavily fortified DMZ in the world between North and South Korea.
I wonder what would happen if the U.S. decided to pull all its troops from SK today. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Meegook wrote:
And the US sending a large portion of their naval fleet into the Persian Gulf off the coast of Iran isn't itching and perhaps setting up another 'incident' to as an excuse to start a war with Iran?
You people only see what you want to see.
Actually it hard to see anything when *beep* like you use abnormally large fonts to spam pages with |
Not to mention the fact that no one on this thread has been defending Bush's Iran policy. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: |
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My understanding of Korean culture is when one brother stumbles, he goes with the utmost humility to his other brother to ask for help. The Norks demand help as their right. And the Soks just kowtow. Weird.
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I think Uri's attitude toward Sunshine is a little like the Bush team's attitude toward Iraq. You know, things are always right on the verge of flying success, if only we make that one last teensy effort: send that next shipment of rice, root out that one last nest of insurgents, etc.
I suspect, though, that the attempt to upstage Ban Ki Moon has sent the message to whatever idealists are left in Uri that North Korea does not regard South Korea's susccesses as its own. But they'll probably still go through the motions of flashing the peace signs accross the DMZ, since an about-face now would look pretty ridiculous.
As I've said before, I do think any contact between North Korea and the outside world is a good thing, in terms of eventually destabilizing the regime. It's just that Uri has dishonestly(or perhaps naively) sold Sunshine to the public as a recipe for instant reunification. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder what would happen if the U.S. decided to pull all its troops from SK today. |
Probably not much, for the same reason that I don't think Sunshine alone will ever lead to voluntary reunification. At this point, I don't think KJI gives a rat's ass about pan-peninsular brotherhood. I don't think an invasion would be worth the effort and the risk for him. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:12 am Post subject: |
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And the US sending a large portion of their naval fleet into the Persian Gulf off the coast of Iran isn't itching and perhaps setting up another 'incident' to as an excuse to start a war with Iran?
You people only see what you want to see. |
Iranians would be more dangerous then nukes then the North Koreans, if you liste to the things there president also says about annihilating Israel.
Also the fact that awhile ago the UN found designs for nuclear wahreads in Iran. A weird thing to have if you aren't trying to get the bomb.
Coupled with the fact that a few years ago Iran's supreme ayatollah made a speech about how a handful of Atom bombs could destroy Israel as a nation state. I believe NK going nuclear has emboldended the US, Israel to not let the same thing happen with Iran. Up until now the US has kept Israel on a leash with respect to Iran, telling them the UN will handle it, but after seeing NK go nuclear right under the UN's nose Israel's faith is no doubt reduced, and they have more to lose then anyone.
Just the way Iran's leader talks alone is reason enough not to let him have the chance to build bombs, with the he could fulfill his threats of making Israel disappear, wiping it off the map, etc.
So I would be personally ok with it if the US/Israel did a surgical strike on Iran's facilities and blew them sky high putting a end to the Iranian nuclear program. |
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