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flotsam

Joined: 28 Mar 2006

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject:

The King of Kwangju wrote:

flotsam wrote:

And speaking of Faulkner(surprised he was cited by such a literary philistine dunderhead), it's not from one of his novels, but everyone should read his Nobel Prize acceptance speech at least once in their lives...

I was taking you seriously until you got to this part.

That speech is pure tripe. I suspect you're playing a joke on us here.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

@ Satori:

1. I shit you not, I read On the Road when I lost a bet. I read the rest just to confirm that he sucked pigs' gibbles to two friends that suggested he did not. I proved it too.
2. I think we all know that the amusing, etc. works its way up the ladder not down, so to suggest that I was trying to take you seriously or value your opinion is somewhat absurd, no?
3. Please see my earlier explanation of how I handle the Kerouac debate.
4. He sucks.
5. What else have you got, as far as quotes go? You can't ONLY like Jacks Keroucrack, can you? (I think it is only fair to balance this debate with contributions--I have made five, from five different authors. I'm good.)

Chop-chop, little furry fruit. Choppity-chop.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject:

flotsam wrote:

1. I *beep* you not, I read On the Road when I lost a bet. I read the rest just to confirm that he sucked pigs' gibbles to two friends that suggested he did not. I proved it too.

And I've read everything in the English literary canon. I can't prove it by saying anything meaningful about these works, so you'll just have to take my word for it.

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2. I think we all know that the amusing, etc. works its way up the ladder not down, so to suggest that I was trying to take you seriously or value your opinion is somewhat absurd, no?

No we don't know that. You seem to think you know it, but then you're a fruitcake.

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3. Please see my earlier explanation of how I handle the Kerouac debate.
4. He sucks.

And I say you suck. I've got no reasons for that, so you'll just have to trust me. You suck.

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5. What else have you got, as far as quotes go? You can't ONLY like Jacks Keroucrack, can you? (I think it is only fair to balance this debate with contributions--I have made five, from five different authors. I'm good.)

Yes, let me quote other authors as part of my case that Kerouac is a great writer. Great concept there.

Look, there's just no other way to say it. You're as queer as the day is long...

Ya-ta Boy

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:59 am Post subject:

I thought billy offered an interesting idea for a thread. For those of us who browse here more or less daily, it's nice to run across a new idea. I guess I should be grateful for small mercies. It could have been hijacked on the first page instead of the second.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:32 am Post subject:

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

I thought billy offered an interesting idea for a thread. For those of us who browse here more or less daily, it's nice to run across a new idea. I guess I should be grateful for small mercies. It could have been hijacked on the first page instead of the second.

I agree, and it can get back on track. But note this, I was not the one to start the derailing. Flotsam felt the need to state that my choice sucked. Im ready to defend Kerouac in a way that will be entertaining to those who like to read. But I need more than "I`ve read all his work ( he hasn`t ) and it sucks" before I bother. If you want to assert that one of the significant writers of the20thC sucked, in a thread about great writing, and not provide a single reason why, you`re just asking to be mocked and not seriously engaged.

cwemory

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Gunpo, Korea

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:48 am Post subject:

This thread (and all threads) needs more Faulkner.

As I Lay Dying

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He had a word, too. Love, he called it. But I had been used to words for a long time. I knew that that word was like the others: just a shape to fill a lack; that when the right time came, you wouldn't need a word for that anymore than for pride or fear. Cash did not need to say it to me nor I to him, and I would say, Let Anse use it, if he wants to. So that it was Anse or love; love or Anse: it didn't matter.

I know I'm playing really loose with the thread's idea. I do think that Faulkner is "really communicate(ing) something profound about the world around us" in that passage though.

flotsam

Joined: 28 Mar 2006

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:07 am Post subject:

Satori wrote:

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

Wah-wah-wah. You are taking this all rather seriously. You aren't even reading what I am writing. That must make it difficult. So, ignoring all your goofy non-sensical whinings(I understand you must feel overwhelmed discussing anything intellectual with me--pressure.), I will just focus on reiterating that I was not talking about the argument on Kerouac at all--that's been settled. I was suggesting you add more quotes to balance out your, um, "replies". That's how one can discuss, yet stick to the OP at the same time. Or you could just tuck tail and scamper, you're not really saying anything of substance anyway. ("I'll have you know flotsam picked on me first!! My writer is good!!! Crying or Very sad

" Just makes you sound like a furry quadraped, not a furry fruit.)

Chop-chop, fluffball.

In the meantime, adhering to the OP, another quote(there are no errors of punctuation--it's the style of the essay):

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Power pales (turns white with terror-imagines its enemies black-invents race) when power confronts the inevitability of change. By promising to keep things as they are, promising to freeze out or squeeze out those not already secure within the safety net of privilege, Mr. Bush won (some say stole) an election. By launching a phony war he is managing to avoid the scrutiny a first-term, skin-of-its-teeth presidency deserves. Instead he's terrorizing Americans into believing that we require a wartime leader wielding unquestioned emergency powers. Beneath the drumbeat belligerence of his demands for national unity, if you listen you'll hear the bullying, the self-serving, the hollowness, of his appeals to patriotism. Listen carefully and you'll also hear what he's not saying: that we need, in a democracy full of contradictions and unresolved divisions, opposition voices.

Those who mount a challenge to established order are not the embodiment of evil. Horrifically bloody, criminal acts may blot the humanity of the perpetrators and stimulate terror in victims and survivors, but the ones who perpetuate such deeds are not the source of the terror within us. To call these people terrorists or evil, even to maintain our absolute distinction between victims and perpetrators, exercises the blind, one-way gaze of power, perpetuates the reign of the irrational and supernatural, closes down the possibility that by speaking to one another we might formulate appropriate responses, even to the unthinkable.

Although trouble may always prevail, being human offers us a chance to experience moments when trouble doesn't rule, when trouble's not totally immune to compassion and reason, when we make choices, and try to better ourselves and make other lives better,

Is war a preferable alternative. If a child's afraid of the dark, do we solve the problem by buying her a gun.

John Edgar Wideman, Whose War

coldcrush

Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Location: melbourne.... Posts: 1

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:16 am Post subject:

My opinion is superior to your opinion!

ChopChaeJoe

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:10 am Post subject:

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

Witty!

Hollywoodaction

Joined: 02 Jul 2004

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:38 am Post subject:

flotsam wrote:

Hollywoodaction wrote:

flotsam wrote:

Hollywoodaction wrote:

"Sorry, mate, you sound like a freshman who just realized that there is more to poetry than pretty words that sound the same. " You were almost winning the discussion until you took the cowards way out, an ad hominem attack.

Oh, I won the argument. That was just gravy.

You need to learn to have a sense of humor about me, I certainly do. (And you certainly missed the point of my crack on Kerocrack's French.)

Besides, Kerouac isn't the very, very most worst writer in the world. There is one worse than him...only one.

Are you sure? No, what's gravy is that I made you think I care about Kerouac, or even liked 'On the Road' (I wasn't impressed...didn't feel much of a connection with the characters either. Couldn't have cared less if the Hudson had gone off a cliff in a ball of fire). That's one point for me and none for you.

Dude! You don't pour gravy on sour grapes!! That's gross.

Sour grapes with gravy would be far easier to swallow than your over-inflated pride and fuzzy logic.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:43 am Post subject:

flotsam wrote:

Wah-wah-wah. You are taking this all rather seriously.

I certainly don't take you seriously if that's what you mean. But as for some quasi-serious discussion of some great writers, yeah, I'm up for that.

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You aren't even reading what I am writing.

Oops, you got me there. I skim it, realise it's childish, and move on.

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I understand you must feel overwhelmed discussing anything intellectual with me--pressure

That's good comedy I must admit. When and if you are able to bring something intellectual to the table, I'll be all ears. "Sucks" is not quite going to cut it.

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I was not talking about the argument on Kerouac at all--that's been settled.

Settled? Ok great, so we agree he's one of the great writers of the 20th C then. Glad you came round.

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you're not really saying anything of substance anyway.

The irony of that is quite breathtaking.

Now for some short quotations from Tom Wolfe...

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America - It is a fabulous country, the only fabulous country; it is the only place where miracles not only happen, but where they happen all the time.

If a man has a talent and cannot use it, he has failed. If he has a talent and uses only half of it, he has partly failed. If he has a talent and learns somehow to use the whole of it, he has gloriously succeeded, and won a satisfaction and a triumph few men ever know.

Perhaps this is our strange and haunting paradox here in America - that we are fixed and certain only when we are in movement.

The attitude is we live and let live. This is actually an amazing change in values in a rather short time and it's an example of freedom from religion.

There are some people who have the quality of richness and joy in them and they communicate it to everything they touch. It is first of all a physical quality; then it is a quality of the spirit

There is no spectacle on earth more appealing than that of a beautiful woman in the act of cooking dinner for someone she loves.

We are always acting on what has just finished happening. It happened at least 1/30th of a second ago. We think we're in the present, but we aren't. The present we know is only a movie of the past.

daskalos

Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:08 am Post subject:

All that needs to be said about Jack Kerouac's work, ever, was said by Truman Capote: "That's not writing, that's typing."

Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject:

coldcrush wrote:

My opinion is superior to your opinion!

Usually wins. Unless you like corn on pizza.

What?

...

flotsam

Joined: 28 Mar 2006

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject:

daskalos wrote:

All that needs to be said about Jack Kerouac's work, ever, was said by Truman Capote:

"That's not writing, that's typing."

Nice.

@Satori: scratch..scratch..scratch.

Tom Wolfe? Jack Kerouac?

At first I just thought your taste in literature sucks, now I think you're a high school girl...

...whose taste in literature sucks.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:41 am Post subject:

The sad thing is you don`t have any idea how childish you come across.

Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:36 am Post subject:

Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse

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