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North Korea itching for a fight
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard that Iran's oil supply will run out in 10 to 15 years.
One way to stay credible and keep their influence in the Middle East is to get nuclear weapons.
I think that may be one of the underlying reasons why Iran wants them.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: North Korea itching for a fight Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061025/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear_458 North Korea uses fighting words against the South [/url]

More empty northern threats or the real deal? Who knows


Who knows? Unless you're a friggin idiot or fresh off the boat, you KNOW the answer. So, the real question is, what is your motivation in asking a pointless question, eh? Are you fresh off the boat (understandable), or an idiot?
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NAVFC



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Re: North Korea itching for a fight Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
NAVFC wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061025/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear_458 North Korea uses fighting words against the South [/url]

More empty northern threats or the real deal? Who knows


Who knows? Unless you're a friggin idiot or fresh off the boat, you KNOW the answer. So, the real question is, what is your motivation in asking a pointless question, eh? Are you fresh off the boat (understandable), or an idiot?

No EFL we don't know the answer. To anyone who has experience analyzing these type of things anyway. First off, in the past North Korea has made threats. Empty yes, but now circumstances are changing. For the North the rules of the game just changed drasticlly. Never before have they been under so much pressure, and as the NK leadership feels the heat more and more, and the hardliners in NK's government become more demanding, and sanctions leaving KJI with no way to appease them the eventuallity is that the day will come when the only way KJI can appease them is to attack South Korea.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: North Korea itching for a fight Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:
NAVFC wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061025/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear_458 North Korea uses fighting words against the South [/url]

More empty northern threats or the real deal? Who knows


Who knows? Unless you're a friggin idiot or fresh off the boat, you KNOW the answer. So, the real question is, what is your motivation in asking a pointless question, eh? Are you fresh off the boat (understandable), or an idiot?

No EFL we don't know the answer. To anyone who has experience analyzing these type of things anyway. First off, in the past North Korea has made threats. Empty yes, but now circumstances are changing. For the North the rules of the game just changed drasticlly. Never before have they been under so much pressure, and as the NK leadership feels the heat more and more, and the hardliners in NK's government become more demanding, and sanctions leaving KJI with no way to appease them the eventuallity is that the day will come when the only way KJI can appease them is to attack South Korea.


Do you believe the hardliners think they can win? Just curious. Anyone?

(I have a hard time believing they can be that stupid, but...????) Rolling Eyes
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NAVFC



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: North Korea itching for a fight Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
NAVFC wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:
NAVFC wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061025/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear_458 North Korea uses fighting words against the South [/url]

More empty northern threats or the real deal? Who knows


Who knows? Unless you're a friggin idiot or fresh off the boat, you KNOW the answer. So, the real question is, what is your motivation in asking a pointless question, eh? Are you fresh off the boat (understandable), or an idiot?

No EFL we don't know the answer. To anyone who has experience analyzing these type of things anyway. First off, in the past North Korea has made threats. Empty yes, but now circumstances are changing. For the North the rules of the game just changed drasticlly. Never before have they been under so much pressure, and as the NK leadership feels the heat more and more, and the hardliners in NK's government become more demanding, and sanctions leaving KJI with no way to appease them the eventuallity is that the day will come when the only way KJI can appease them is to attack South Korea.


Do you believe the hardliners think they can win? Just curious. Anyone?

(I have a hard time believing they can be that stupid, but...????) Rolling Eyes


I believe that the hardliners believe they can win.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: North Korea itching for a fight Reply with quote

caniff wrote:


Do you believe the hardliners think they can win? Just curious. Anyone?

(I have a hard time believing they can be that stupid, but...????) Rolling Eyes


Quote:
The country�s mass games ... are in fact celebrations of ethnic homogeneity. �No masses in the world,� the state-run Cheollima magazine reminded readers in 2005, �are purer and more upright than our masses.�

...What if angry junior officers in the North Korean military were to launch a coup? We could be faced with a situation in which North Korea�with its 1 million man military and stockpile of WMDs�is in the hands of men who actually believe the noxious racial ideology they�ve been taught almost since birth. They might actually believe that despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, an invasion of South Korea might work because�as Koreans�they can do anything as long as their one-hearted devotion to the minjok is pure enough. Did not Kim Il-sung and his small but devoted band of fighters single-handedly defeat the might Japanese empire? Did not Kim and the mighty Korean People�s Army successfully throw back the American imperialists and their South Korean lackies when they tried to invade in 1950?


http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/must-read-north-korea-the-inheritors-of-the-hirohito-spirit/

I think it's highly probable that the hardliners believe they can win. Choson fighting!
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The country�s mass games ... are in fact celebrations of ethnic homogeneity. �No masses in the world,� the state-run Cheollima magazine reminded readers in 2005, �are purer and more upright than our masses.�

...What if angry junior officers in the North Korean military were to launch a coup? We could be faced with a situation in which North Korea�with its 1 million man military and stockpile of WMDs�is in the hands of men who actually believe the noxious racial ideology they�ve been taught almost since birth. They might actually believe that despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, an invasion of South Korea might work because�as Koreans�they can do anything as long as their one-hearted devotion to the minjok is pure enough. Did not Kim Il-sung and his small but devoted band of fighters single-handedly defeat the might Japanese empire? Did not Kim and the mighty Korean People�s Army successfully throw back the American imperialists and their South Korean lackies when they tried to invade in 1950?


http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/must-read-north-korea-the-inheritors-of-the-hirohito-spirit/

I think it's highly probable that the hardliners believe they can win. Choson fighting!


According to a defector quoted in this book, by the second year at elite universities, most students begin to have doubts about the official ideology of North Korea, though they tend to keep such doubts to themselves. I would imagine that such skepticism increases the higher up you get in the NK power structure.

The Myers article did a great job of drawing attention to an oft-overlooked aspect of North Korean ideology, but I thought our professor of Literature was a bit off in his analysis of the political implications. Even if you believe with all your heart that Koreans have been ordained as the Master Race, you still can't dispute the evidence of your own eyes when you see a North Korean missle stay in the air for a grand total of two minutes(or whatever it was.)
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