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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: Becoming a TEFL Trainer |
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Hi,
I like ESL teaching. I plan to do it for a long time. It's the only job I've had where I've thought, "Hmm, you know this could still be interesing even in ten years". I also think think this can provide a big ol' chunk of change at the end, if I play my cards right. Which brings me to my question.
How can I become a TEFL trainer? I've been looking around, and have only been able to find a few sites that talk about it (CELTA site being one). There must be some TEFL trainers on this board. Would you mind telling me your story? How much experience do you have and where? What sort of certification or postgrad did you do? Any input welcomed.
Thanks,
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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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I have thought about becoming one myself and from the information I have found you need two or more years experience teaching English as a foreign language.
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Goro-chan
Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Location: Asia
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:52 am Post subject: |
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I worked as a TEFL trainer last year, but not in Korea.
There seem to be two main routes to becoming a trainer. Either do a DELTA or similar course (they usually require at least 2 years of teaching experience). Or do a Masters in something closely related - Education, English, ESL/EFL, Linguistics etc.
Then it is just a matter of being in the right place at the right time to get a trainer's job. There seem to be more and more TEFL courses starting up all the time, so keep scanning the job boards and look at what qualifications each place asks for. Here in Korea they seem to value Masters degrees, in China they seem to prefer DELTA or similar diplomas, and in Japan they seem to want PhDs. |
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Zark

Joined: 12 May 2003 Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Best path to teacher teacher training? Probably a graduate degree and several years experience.
DELTA is not well known in much of the world - but will get your started in Europe. Ultimately - the better training jobs though - will probably be looking for a master's degree. Just my opinion - though I know many will disagree.
TEFL training doesn't always pay much more than regular teaching - but you will certainly find better circumstances and benefits - more time off - easier schedules, etc.
TEFL training is also quite different from TEFL. Your classroom is usually full of Westerners who WILL challenge you, WILL ask difficult questions, WON'T automatically defer to their instructor - and who don't mind complaining about a hundred things you can't control. And, you will - at times - have less control over the content of a course than you would just teaching EFL.
Frankly - I enjoy teacher training just for the many different types of people that I meet. And - it is a good change of pace from the EFL classroom. |
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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Zark wrote: |
TEFL training doesn't always pay much more than regular teaching - but you will certainly find better circumstances and benefits - more time off - easier schedules, etc.
TEFL training is also quite different from TEFL. Your classroom is usually full of Westerners who WILL challenge you, WILL ask difficult questions, WON'T automatically defer to their instructor - and who don't mind complaining about a hundred things you can't control. And, you will - at times - have less control over the content of a course than you would just teaching EFL. |
You HAVE BEEN/ARE a TEFL trainer! To the poster: you need a thicker skin as a trainer than as a teacher. Considerably thicker. Rather thankless in that sense.
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Zark

Joined: 12 May 2003 Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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EFLtrainer wrote: |
You HAVE BEEN/ARE a TEFL trainer! To the poster: you need a thicker skin as a trainer than as a teacher. Considerably thicker. Rather thankless in that sense.
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Yes. In Thailand and in Korea.
For those who fantacize about teacher-training - consider facing a room full of jet-lagged, culture-shocked Westerners who just paid a whole bunch of money to be in your classroom. I have had people tell me "method s*ucks", that they know best, that only "losers" teach, and on and on.
And, of course, there are those mal-adjusted individuals in your classroom who are running away from the mess they made of their life before - only to find they brought their problem with them, themselves.
Also, a surprising new trend (for me anyway), a batch of people who label themselves as ADD (or something similar), tell everyone about it, and fully expect to NOT have to meet the standards of the course due to their problem.
Conversely - I have met MANY wonderful people - and we all work hard all the way through the course. I really enjoy watching a roomful of relatively insecure/unsure people get really stressed out - and turn into confident, ready-to-go newbie teachers - all in the course of just a few weeks.
Also, get used to the idea that it is not unusual for the people you trained to land jobs with higher wages than yours!
I love the occupation, but it is not for everyone. And you do need to have some skills at handling groups as they go through the stages of the course, from euphoria at being there, grand expectations about a new carreer, their first observed teaching practice that didn't go well, very high stress levels during the 2nd and 3rd weeks (when they can strike out in frustration), and much more.
It takes a confident instructor to guide such groups. Teacher training is not an easy way out of the EFL classroom (not that anyone suggested that it was).
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Zark wrote: |
TEFL training is also quite different from TEFL. Your classroom is usually full of Westerners who WILL challenge you, WILL ask difficult questions, WON'T automatically defer to their instructor - and who don't mind complaining about a hundred things you can't control. |
Haha, you've never taught Spanish or French students, have you?
I know several, all CELTA trainers. They like it, get to travel a lot, but it's not easy, and thankless. You tend to get a lot of people who are just starting out and think they know everything. Or you also get the ones who can't teach their way out of a paper bag. TEFL training is in almost all cases a business too. The CELTA and Trinity are atleast educational businesses, but don't forget that. |
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Zark

Joined: 12 May 2003 Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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laogaiguk wrote: |
Haha, you've never taught Spanish or French students, have you?
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Actually, I've taught Germans, Filipinos/Filipinas, French, British, Dutch, Belgans (sp?), South Africans, French, Aussies, Kiwis, Russians, Thais, Malaysians, Canadians, Americans, Sri Lankans, and many more I can't recall.
But you are right - probably no Spaniards! Oy!
Right on a second count too - TEFL Training is first and foremost a business.
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Zark wrote: |
laogaiguk wrote: |
Haha, you've never taught Spanish or French students, have you?
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Actually, I've taught Germans, Filipinos/Filipinas, French, British, Dutch, Belgans (sp?), South Africans, French, Aussies, Kiwis, Russians, Thais, Malaysians, Canadians, Americans, Sri Lankans, and many more I can't recall.
But you are right - probably no Spaniards! Oy! |
Well, you taught French students. I couldn't shut them up, and they got a real kick out of pointing out my mistakes (something I had no problem with and was quite proud of them for ). |
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Zark

Joined: 12 May 2003 Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, have certainly met a few of those . . . but I am pretty good at deflecting most things with good humor.
I never claim to be an expert at anything - and welcome assistance. I am quite good at many things though. Such situations are always a good time to bring up the difference between teacher training and teacher development and the need for continued ongoing training throughout one's teaching career.
I need help with my boardwork . . . |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Zark wrote: |
I need help with my boardwork . . . |
Don't we all??? I think they need to invent a board that takes what you say and writes it in a neat fashion. It would be possible nowadays, but prohibitivly expensive. Maybe in the future. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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What do TEFL trainers make? Surely a TEFL trainer in Thailand can't be making more than an experienced teacher in Korea, so why would anyone do it? |
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Zark

Joined: 12 May 2003 Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
What do TEFL trainers make? Surely a TEFL trainer in Thailand can't be making more than an experienced teacher in Korea, so why would anyone do it? |
You are right. Even the best paid trainers in Thailand are probably making half of what most people are earning in Korea.
Why do it then? I love Thailand, intend to retire here, like the food and people, and have a home a short walk away from a beautiful beach.
ALSO - I have thrown away anything that even begins to resemble LONG UNDERWEAR - and have spent, at times, as much as two months in only shorts and flip flops. AND, I know where to find an EXCELLENT frozen margarita for B90 (about W2000). Oy!
Thank God . . . |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Zark wrote: |
Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
What do TEFL trainers make? Surely a TEFL trainer in Thailand can't be making more than an experienced teacher in Korea, so why would anyone do it? |
You are right. Even the best paid trainers in Thailand are probably making half of what most people are earning in Korea.
Why do it then? I love Thailand, intend to retire here, like the food and people, and have a home a short walk away from a beautiful beach.
ALSO - I have thrown away anything that even begins to resemble LONG UNDERWEAR - and have spent, at times, as much as two months in only shorts and flip flops. AND, I know where to find an EXCELLENT frozen margarita for B90 (about W2000). Oy!
Thank God . . . |
Yes, but do you have classes with two or three mild trouble-makers you have to keep an eye on and thirty others who stare up at you adoringly, almost always do what they're told, are amazed / amused by the simplist of discoveries, and, while incapable of coming up with anything original on their own, are desperate to please you?
No, I bet you have a dozen seasoned cynics like me just collecting a sheet of paper to add to their CVs, pretending that what you're teaching is important and later joking amongst themselves how practically useless it is.  |
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Zark

Joined: 12 May 2003 Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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YBS,
You are right on all counts, but we all have different priorities, no? |
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