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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Actually, let's get specific. Tell us about how creationism accounts for dinosaurs. |
Created on the 5th day.
Genesis 1:
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| Meegook wrote: |
Genesis 1:
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. |
Yes. So when was this? And what happened to them? Where are they now? What do you think they should teach about dinosaurs in science classrooms? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| Meegook wrote: |
Genesis 1:
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. |
Yes. So when was this? And what happened to them? Where are they now? |
Let me Meegook...
It's not that hard gang ah jee  |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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"Barney died 4400 years ago in the Noachian deluge"
Is that what you told your children, Meegook? |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: |
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This time, we have to admit that 미국 has something.
Even the talkorigins Website admits that Haeckel was off his rocker.
However, there are a few facts which the Creationists either don't know or don't want us to know:
■ von Baer, the first scientist to notice that similar species undergo similar fetal development, was not an Evolutionist.
■ Darwin did not follow Haeckel. Darwin published his book in 1859, Haeckel published his in 1866, and he published his artistic masterpiece in 1874.
■ Scientists use the term gill slits to refer to a fetal organ, but do not mean to imply that the fetus is undergoing development as a fish.
■ We must guard against the fallacy of denying the consequent.
This fallacy runs as follows:
A implies B.
A is false.
Therefore, B is false.
I doubt very seriously if any of you are in 광천.
광천 is a small town in the 충남 province, and last I heard, it had no English schools which were large enough to support a foreign teacher.
But it would be fallacious to say:
If you are in 광천, you are in Korea.
You are not in 광천.
Therefore, you are not in Korea.
Likewise, it would be fallacious to say:
If the Haeckel diagram is accurate, Evolution is true.
The Haeckel diagram is not accurate.
Therefore, Evolution is not true.
My brother keeps telling me I'm crazy, but that can't be true because I don't have a brother.
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Nah, more like this:
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Likewise, it would be fallacious to say:
If the Haeckel diagram is accurate, Evolution is true.
The Haeckel diagram is not accurate.
Therefore, Evolution is not true. |
The point of the Haeckel fraud, is that it was a known fake for over 100 years and yet still got repeatedly used in textbooks in support of evolution. I even remember the Haeckel diagram so you know it's been around a long time. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Not at all like this?
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| The point of the Haeckel fraud, is that it was a known fake for over 100 years and yet still got repeatedly used in textbooks in support of evolution. I even remember the Haeckel diagram so you know it's been around a long time. |
Yes, the point that textbooks (in any subject) are often of low quality and are not always completely accurate is a worthwhile point to make. The blame though lies much more on the textbook writers than on 'science' as a whole, and as has been pointed out, the details were not even directly related to evolution, but to a discredited hypothesis of development in individual animals. And also, even if you ended up taking the diagrams at face value, what you knew wouldn't be completely accurate, but it wouldn't be completely wrong either. |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Nah, the dinos were probably youngins.' |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
Not at all like this?
| Meegook wrote: |
| The point of the Haeckel fraud, is that it was a known fake for over 100 years and yet still got repeatedly used in textbooks in support of evolution. I even remember the Haeckel diagram so you know it's been around a long time. |
Yes, the point that textbooks (in any subject) are often of low quality and are not always completely accurate is a worthwhile point to make. The blame though lies much more on the textbook writers than on 'science' as a whole, and as has been pointed out, the details were not even directly related to evolution, but to a discredited hypothesis of development in individual animals. And also, even if you ended up taking the diagrams at face value, what you knew wouldn't be completely accurate, but it wouldn't be completely wrong either. |
I've seen maps with the USSR still on them in schools. This is a textbook/education problem, not a problem with science as a whole. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Meegook wrote: |
| Nah, the dinos were probably youngins.' |
So you are comfortable your 'paradigm/thought-structure' positing a Flintstonian epoch in human history, and you agree that dinosaurs were on the ark, and thus survived the Flood. So what happened to them? According to what you've said so far, a testable claim you could make is that dinosaurs have become extinct in the last 4400 years. Do you have any evidence that you can point to that supports that claim? Or is that not your claim? |
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