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[gang ah jee]

[some waygug-in]

I am not sure, but according to the tests that were done on the small amount of steel that was examined, temperatures didn't even reach
600 degrees celsius. (which is not even close to the point at which steel loses about half it's strength 1200)

Also, according to those same tests, the steel trusses did not fail....even when double the load was applied to the top and even hotter temperatures were reached.


Check: Http://www.911research.wtc7.net/reviews/kevin_ryan/newstandard.html

There is a section labeled NIST's methods and a sub-section
D Laboratory Tests.


Further down you can find this:



4. How hot Could the Steel have become?
Here Ryan fills in another gap in NIST's theory by doing a calculation they neglected to, that to determine how much heat energy was available and how much it could have raised steel temperatures. Ryan and others have done the calculation using only assumptions favorable to the collapse theory:

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NIST now says about 4,500 gallons of jet fuel were available to feed fires -- 590,000 MJ of energy
Office furnishings in the impact zone would have provided 490,000 MJ of energy
Using masses and specific heats for materials heated, a maximum temp in the impact zone can be calculated.
The result is less than 600 degrees F
Assuming fuel bruned with perfect efficiency, that no hot gases left the impact zone, no heat escaped by conduction, steel and concrete had unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat

Thus, the maximum temperatures that could have been attained by the steel were much too low to soften it.

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[some waygug-in]

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/analysis/fires/steel_fire_resistance.htm

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/reviews/kevin_ryan/newstandard.html
5. Some floors began to sag?
Step five in NIST's collapse theory is that floors began to sag. The idea that fires could have caused floors to sag is not unreasonable, since it has been observed in fire tests and in cases of severe fires in steel-framed buildings, such as the One Meridian Plaza fire.

What is not reasonable is the degree of sagging NIST used in its computer models compared with the amounts its physical tests showed. Whereas the 35-foot floor model sagged only a few inches in the middle after two hours in a high-temperature furnace, NIST's computer model showed a sagging of 54 inches.

[gang ah jee]

Well, I'm still finding NIST a lot more convincing. And if it's a conspiracy the planes thing just weirds me out. Why not just bomb the towers and blame that on al-Qaeda? Seems a lot simpler to me.

So some waygug-in, what evidence would it take to convince you that the collapses were due to impact and fire?

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[some waygug-in]

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[huffdaddy]

[some waygug-in]

Morgan Reynolds has some interesting things to say about the Bush administration and connections to 911.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2372098291200852175&q=morgan+reynolds&hl=en

[some waygug-in]

Webster Tarpley also has some very interesting ideas concerning 911.

For those of you who are unable to watch videos, here is a transcript of one of his speeches:

http://www.waronfreedom.org/wgt-sf-speech.html

a small quote:

We are dealing with state-sponsored, false flag terrorism. I don't mean state-sponsored in the sense that it has to be sponsored by the entire command structure of the country in question, but that it is carried forward by a private network ensconced and infesting decisive nodal points in the state apparatus of that country. I'll try to show you what I mean.

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check out:




http://educationforum.ipbhost.com

The site is run by a couple of Brits and a very nice site.

for disscussion on this an other topics.

There is an efl section, but it is not presently used very often.

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