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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| this thread shows the ugly side of religion, that's for sure. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Organised religion is nothing but a means of gaining socio/political control over large groups of people. It's a way of appealing to a false authority. Then you get to make people do what you want them to do "because god said so". There is no proof of god. The bible was written by human men, many of them, over a huge time span, that's why it say s many deeply conflicting things. It's contents are nothing more than a codification of the social/moral mores of the day, with the caveat "god said so". Science now tells us a lot more about our environment, and the social mores are no longer appropriate. We know how things work. We don't need an imaginary friend to tell us right from wrong. We have newer, better, more effective ways of working out what the best behaviour is to get the desired result, logical critical thinking and the study of the human social sciences. The whole idea of a moral is entirely conceptual and theoretical. What we need are sets of behaviour that bring about desried results. Do and do not do certain things because that is what produces the best results not because it is "right" or "wrong". What does that mean? It's entirely abstract.
No sex before marriage was a good idea before the condom, now it's no longer necessary.
It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kindom of heaven, yet many christians have managed to convince themselves that thier religion supports and actively encourages rampant greed driven materialism. Jesus said it's ok to hang out with prostitutes, ie stop judging, everyone is valid, yet christianity in practice is incredibly pious and judgemental. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone has become kill an abortion doctor for jesus...
F*ck christianity. Christians are the people who are actually the farthest away from understanding and acting out the real message of Christ.
And f*ck Islam. They are the same in thier fundamentalist nature, just more ridiculous and more extreme.
Organised religion is the single most negative force in the world today and the sooner we get rid of it the better. There is hope, as it has been seen the a belief in god negatively correlates to with level of education. No sane god would create a hell. It's time to move beyond these sick bronze age paradigms of bloodlust and hatred and move towards the pure light of logic and science... |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The above post reminds me of a pile of fresh dog doo left on the sidewalk. Can't help but see it but make every effort to avoid it. Another reason why so many communities past laws requiring dog owners to clean up after their pets. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| says the man who has the WTC falling as his avatar. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Meegook wrote: |
| The above post reminds me of a pile of fresh dog doo left on the sidewalk. Can't help but see it but make every effort to avoid it. Another reason why so many communities past laws requiring dog owners to clean up after their pets. |
What a deep rebuttal. By the way it's "passed" not "past" and that can't be a typo either, cowboy... |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| Meegook wrote: |
| The above post reminds me of a pile of fresh dog doo left on the sidewalk. Can't help but see it but make every effort to avoid it. Another reason why so many communities past laws requiring dog owners to clean up after their pets. |
What a deep rebuttal. By the way it's "passed" not "past" and that can't be a typo either, cowboy... |
Hey, give the man credit. He actually had to think of that himself  and not just copy it from his 2000 year old storybook  |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| Meegook wrote: |
| The above post reminds me of a pile of fresh dog doo left on the sidewalk. Can't help but see it but make every effort to avoid it. Another reason why so many communities past laws requiring dog owners to clean up after their pets. |
What a deep rebuttal. By the way it's "passed" not "past" and that can't be a typo either, cowboy... |
No it wasn't a typo but even you still got the meaning didn't you?
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| What a deep rebuttal. By the way it's "passed" not "past" and that can't be a typo either, cowboy... |
By the way, I was writing in the present tense, so it's 'pass' not 'passed' and that can't be a typo either, all hat and no cattle.
LMHO
Did you step in the dog pile sidewalk crack avoider?
You remind me of the three sidewalk crack avoiders walking down the sidewalk. One of them notices a pile of fresh dog doo, picks it up and says, "feels like dog doo." His buddy sidewalk crack avoider takes some of the dog doo and puts it to his nose and says, "smells like dog doo." The last one takes some from his buddy and puts it in his mouth and says,
"Tastes like dog doo too. Good thing we didn't step in it." |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Meegook wrote: |
| satori wrote: |
| What a deep rebuttal. By the way it's "passed" not "past" and that can't be a typo either, cowboy... |
No it wasn't a typo but even you still got the meaning didn't you?
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| ]What a deep rebuttal. By the way it's "passed" not "past" and that can't be a typo either, cowboy... |
By the way, I was writing in the present tense, so it's 'pass' not 'passed' and that can't be a typo either, all hat and no cattle. |
Welcome to the Twilight Zone of debate.  |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Meegook wrote: |
| Satori wrote: |
| Meegook wrote: |
| The above post reminds me of a pile of fresh dog doo left on the sidewalk. Can't help but see it but make every effort to avoid it. Another reason why so many communities past laws requiring dog owners to clean up after their pets. |
What a deep rebuttal. By the way it's "passed" not "past" and that can't be a typo either, cowboy... |
No it wasn't a typo but even you still got the meaning didn't you?
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| What a deep rebuttal. By the way it's "passed" not "past" and that can't be a typo either, cowboy... |
By the way, I was writing in the present tense, so it's 'pass' not 'passed' and that can't be a typo either, all hat and no cattle.
LMHO
Did you step in the dog pile sidewalk crack avoider?
You remind me of the three sidewalk crack avoiders walking down the sidewalk. One of them notices a pile of fresh dog doo, picks it up and says, "feels like dog doo." His buddy sidewalk crack avoider takes some of the dog doo and puts it to his nose and says, "smells like dog doo." The last one takes some from his buddy and puts it in his mouth and says,
"Tastes like dog doo too. Good thing we didn't step in it." |
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Interested
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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I concur wuth ddeubel, as a 100 percent European.
There is NO Muslim threat.
The violence we see is the result of Economic factors, the fact that racism inpedes these people to become productive members of a society.
Because they are financially unstable, women from their own circles prefer to get married to more financially stable men. This makes these man having a huge anger because not only are they not able to support a family, they are unable to start a family what so ever.
What would you do if a country did not allow you to work, thus not allowing you to start having a family, etc etc ....
Then we don't even speak of cultural issues that these people have to deal with, just look at yourself living in Korea. Can you honestly tell me you have had it easy, just imagine what their world looks like. No money no fun no future, hell yes i would start rioting!!!
The governement of any european country has failed to see these issues, and thus has done nothing to reduce these shortcomings within the entire nations.
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I find myself agreeing with much of what DD and Juregan are saying. It's not the religion itself that is causing the problems, its the consequences of immigrants not feeling fully accepted into the society in which their parents or grandparents settled in.
Here is an interesting article by a muslim woman discussing her half brother and his experience of being a muslim growing up in Britain. I've only selected a small portion of the article - I'd recommend following the link and reading it in full however if you have the time.
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Born of a Pakistani Muslim father and a Sri Lankan Buddhist mother, he spoke no language other than English and had no realistic future anywhere outside Britain. For him, Britain was no light-filled liberal democracy but a racist and closed society.
Like many Asians of his generation, he grew up conscious that "Paki bashing" was considered easy sport by the violent young men of the far Right. By the time he reached adulthood, he believed that every failure and rejection he suffered was a result of white racism. This racism was not proving to be an insurmountable barrier to other young men of similar backgrounds, but Mustafa did not believe white people would provide him with an even break.
But there was no refuge to be found in his parents' identities, either. He regarded Buddhism as idolatry and he longed to be Muslim. But for his father's family, being Muslim was entangled with their home culture: speaking Punjabi, marrying within the family network, following established social etiquette. Even second-generation Muslims from ethnically homogenous families are not fully literate in this culture; Mustafa, with his mixed background, could make nothing of it.
Mustafa may have regarded British society as the enemy but, as far as his family was concerned, he was far too British to be a real Muslim. And so he found refuge elsewhere, in a form of Islam where ideological commitment was more important than literacy in one's ancestral culture.
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http://theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20671921-7583,00.html |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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"Welcome to the Twilight Zone of debate."
That's a rich welcome, coming from the Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde of the forum. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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its the consequences of immigrants not feeling fully accepted into the society in which their parents or grandparents settled in. |
Ever wondered why its always just muslims who don't integrate or get accepted?
Is it because the cult they cling too is so inflexible as to be unable to adopt the practises of a new culture?
Got nothing to do with skin colour. (How 80's of you.) |
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Interested
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Ever wondered why its always just muslims who don't integrate or get accepted?
Is it because the cult they cling too is so inflexible as to be unable to adopt the practises of a new culture?
Got nothing to do with skin colour. (How 80's of you.) |
Is it only muslims who don't integrate? Please show me proof of that. I know British sikhs and hindus who also feel very isolated.
And if you think it is has nothing to do with colour think again. I've witnessed some horrible racism in both London and the north of England. White youths taunting dark skinned people of all ages and genders, and sometimes beating them up. This was going on long before the rise of islamic terrorism, and it still continues today. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:41 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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I was referring to ddeubel
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Man, someone can't handle the truth.
Must be nice to live under a rock.. |
whom are you refering too? |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Interested wrote: |
And if you think it is has nothing to do with colour think again. I've witnessed some horrible racism in both London and the north of England. White youths taunting dark skinned people of all ages and genders, and sometimes beating them up. This was going on long before the rise of islamic terrorism, and it still continues today. |
Black people have integrated well into British society over the past 40 yrs or so. You cannot deny that.
Muslims are extremely well provided for in Britain. Mosques and community centres on every block, houses and money from the social.
I knew many non white folks who were well integrated into British society: blacks and Asians.
But as a group, muslims have largely failed to assimilate. Simple things like not drinking or socialising, intermarrying or partaking in the culture have left them an island even decades after they arrived. Because the ideology in Islam keeps them separate. |
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