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The Unraveling of the Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: The Unraveling of the Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Reply with quote

It should be obvious to all but the 15 % of the mentally challenged/ill among us that the 9/11 Official Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory was a fraud and a hoax. If you're still among the 15% or so who cling to the Official Conspiracy Theory that "19 Arabs with boxcutters" [seems so ridiculous now doesn't it?] planned and executed 9/11, there are plenty of sources of information available to assist you, if you're capable of changing your mind, to change your mind.

Changing minds is not the subject of this proposed thread.

The purpose of this thread is to document the unraveling of the Authorized Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory.

And indeed, the unraveling has begun.

A recent New York Times/CBS scientific survey found that around 85% of Americans believe that the US government was some how some way involved in 9/11.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/141006poll.htm

Recently the Iranian president went public suggesting that 9/11 needed inside intel to be carried out.



""September eleven was not a simple operation."

"Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services � or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess."

"Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren�t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial? All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their citizens."



The The Supreme Commander of Iran�s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps accused the Bush Administration and the Israeli security service Mossad of ordering the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York and Washington, DC.

"�The events of September 11 were ordered by U.S. [officials] and Mossad so that they could carry out their strategy of pre-emption and warmongering and unipolarisation in order to dominate the Middle East�, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi told military commanders on Tuesday. His comments were reported by the state-run news agency ISNA."

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8512

Hugo Chavez has come out and said publically as much.

Chavez: 9/11 might have been inside job



Speaking after the fifth anniversary of the Islamist terrorist attacks on the United States, the Venezuelan leader says the US government might have planned the 9/11 attacks.

Chavez says that a TV report that the Bush administration blew up New York�s World Trade Center is "plausible."

"The hypothesis is not absurd ... that those towers could have been dynamited," Chavez said in a speech to supporters. "A building never collapses like that, unless it�s with an implosion."

http://cubazuela.blogspot.com/2006/09/chavez-911-might-have-been-inside-job.html

Years ago, the head of the Pakistanian Intelligence agency publically stated 9/11 was an "inside job."

A recent Dutch news piece as come out stating that 9/11 was an inside job.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/301006_b_Dutch.htm


Paul Craig Roberts, PhD � Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan. "Father of Reaganomics." Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute.



* Essay: "We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to 'pancake' at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/...

Morgan Reynolds, PhD � Chief Economist, Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001-2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Texas A&M University.



* Video: "I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. � We can prove that the government�s story is false." http://video... - Free video presentation of Dr. Reynolds

Catherine Austin Fitts � Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush. Former Managing Director of Wall Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co.



* Audio Interview 9/9/04: Regarding 9/11: "The official story could not possibly have happened. It�s not possible. It�s not operationally feasible. ... The Commission was a whitewash." (About 45 minutes into the file.) http://157....

Bring news or information here that shows how the Official Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory as put forth by the Usraeli and British Governments is unraveling.

And may the 9/11 hoax unravel even faster.


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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iran? Hugo Chavez? LOL! Not too discriminating when it comes to where you get your information from there Roadrunner?
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would rather see the great, all time hoax of the bible be uncovered. That should be easier for you Meegook.

85% of America believes the government had a hand in the disaster?!?! One would think we would see just a little more outrage! Rolling Eyes
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) � Commanding General of Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), 1981 - 1984. Also commanded U.S. Army�s Intelligence Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.



* Video: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army�s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, �The plane does not fit in that hole�. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" http://www.undersiegemovie.com ...

Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) � Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. Air Force fighter pilot, over 100 combat missions. PhD in Aeronautics, Nuclear Engineering.



* Video: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It�s impossible. �
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hugo Chavez? LOL!


At least he was elected.

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I would rather see the great, all time hoax of the bible be uncovered. That should be easier for you Meegook.


Good idea.

Why don't you start a thread for just that purpose? It should be extremely easy for you.
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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meegook wrote:
At least he was elected.

Yes, I'll give you that. But overall the credentials of the people you have cited so far are distinctly underwhelming. I see a lot of wild guesses, wishful thinking, arguments from incredulity and general senility amongst your sources.

It's what you want to believe though, so have fun with it. Every board has to have at least a couple of resident cranks.
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this one has you - one of the Elite 15%.

Along with huffingpoppa and laogai and grottesque.
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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make sense to what you are responding to around 50% of the time.


Make sense to you.

50% ? I would have guessed a much lower precentage.

Notice how the mainstreet media reports everything negative about Iran but they missed this important recent news:

The Supreme Commander of Iran�s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps accused the Bush Administration and the Israeli security service Mossad of ordering the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York and Washington, DC.

�The events of September 11 were ordered by U.S. [officials] and Mossad so that they could carry out their strategy of pre-emption and warmongering and unipolarisation in order to dominate the Middle East�, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi told military commanders on Tuesday. His comments were reported by the state-run news agency ISNA.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
Meegook wrote:
At least he was elected.

Yes, I'll give you that. But overall the credentials of the people you have cited so far are distinctly underwhelming. I see a lot of wild guesses, wishful thinking, arguments from incredulity and general senility amongst your sources.


This is outright denial. This is thinking supported by ideology, not fact. Those are educated, intelligent people that would not normally be considered anti-government, anti-establishment. Under any other circumstance you would not question their statements on an issue. You are questioning their credentials for no reason other than they support a theory you do not.

Further, the dismissive comments about the polls, and suggestion that meegook can't read them, is also nothing more than bias. His interpretation was correct. 81 percent believe the government is hiding something (conspiracy of silence, at minimum) or was directly involved. What is there to misinterpret?

You are in the minority, and by a very wide margin. Accept it, don't lie about it.
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



Rep. Curt Weldon � Ten-term Republican Congressman from Pennsylvania. House Armed Services Committee Vice Chairman. Homeland Security Committee Vice Chairman.

* U.S. House of Representatives Speech 10/19/05:

I am a strong supporter of our military. I am a strong supporter of President Bush. I say all of that, Mr. Speaker, because ... there is something desperately wrong here. I have met with at least 10 people who fully corroborate what [intelligence officer] Tony Shaffer says. This is not [about] Republicans or Democrats. It is about what is fundamental to this country."
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
This is outright denial. This is thinking supported by ideology, not fact. Those are educated, intelligent people that would not normally be considered anti-government, anti-establishment. Under any other circumstance you would not question their statements on an issue. You are questioning their credentials for no reason other than they support a theory you do not.

Well, I'm not sure how liquored up I'd have to be before I started thinking that Hugo Chavez and the Iranian administration aren't considered anti-government and anti-establishment. As for the others, there are many others with much more impressive credentials than Meegook's meagre list that dismiss your brand of 9/11 conspiracy as hysterical kookery. So what's your point?

EFLtrainer wrote:
Further, the dismissive comments about the polls, and suggestion that meegook can't read them, is also nothing more than bias. His interpretation was correct. 81 percent believe the government is hiding something (conspiracy of silence, at minimum) or was directly involved. What is there to misinterpret?

You are in the minority, and by a very wide margin. Accept it, don't lie about it.

I haven't mentioned Meegook's egregious poll fallacy, so I guess you're meaning to direct this at huffdaddy and not me. I'll go ahead and respond anyway. If I had been presented that 'scientific' (lol) poll, I would have ticked the 'hiding something' choice, putting me in the 84%. That doesn't mean that I think that the Bush Administration orchestrated 9/11, however - numbers on how many people think that cannot be determined from the data we have. And furthermore, even if the poll said what you want it to we don't establish reality via consensus. Sorry.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:

I haven't mentioned Meegook's egregious poll fallacy, so I guess you're meaning to direct this at huffdaddy and not me. I'll go ahead and respond anyway. If I had been presented that 'scientific' (lol) poll, I would have ticked the 'hiding something' choice, putting me in the 84%. That doesn't mean that I think that the Bush Administration orchestrated 9/11, however - numbers on how many people think that cannot be determined from the data we have. And furthermore, even if the poll said what you want it to we don't establish reality via consensus. Sorry.


I think he was talking to me, and I feel the same as you do.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meegook wrote:


�The events of September 11 were ordered by U.S. [officials] and Mossad so that they could carry out their strategy of pre-emption and warmongering and unipolarisation in order to dominate the Middle East�, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi told military commanders on Tuesday. His comments were reported by the state-run news agency ISNA.


I'm not going to argue with you about what you think happened, who did it and why. I'm certainly open to the possibility that we don't know the full truth and likely never will. But, ultimately I agree with Chomsky that the 9/11 attacks, if orchestrated by somebody other than the crazy muslims oft blamed, would have to have balls the size of Texas. I just don't see it. It is too risky. Bush and his ilk are crazy fuc$ers but (I don't think) they are that crazy.

But, what I want to ask you is

What evidence exists that the Israelis had anything to do with it? If the answer is none, as it most certainly is, then why are they automatically indicated? What does that tell you about the source upon which you are relying?

No ad homonyms please.
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is not about who dunnit.

It's about the unraveling of the official conspiracy theory.

But to answer your question somewhat, check out the age old method of finding out who dunnit.

cui bono
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because they benefit? That is the answer eh?

Ok. And with that amazingly awesome and, like, yeah!, great answer that totally answers my question I'll let you return to normal plageris erp programming.
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