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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Qinella wrote: |
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| Qualified apologies suck. You should say "Sorry, what I did was wrong, I won't do it again". That's a real apology. |
Words of wisdom, folks--take note. Though I do think an explanation was due in this case. |
That came across harsh. I think it's good that an apology was done. It would have been better if it was a full unreserved apology. Just a sorry I was wrong. Not a sorry I was wrong but I was provoked a bit. That's all Im saying. It doesn't matter if you were provoked. An apology comes across less sincere when there are qualifications, that's all. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| It would have been better if it was a full unreserved apology. |
I disagree. I think a brief apology with no explanation would have caused a lot of posters to pile more sh*t on SPINOZA, now and in the future. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: |
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I thought it was a good apology, and while I can see how the explanation might be seen as exculpatory, that isn't to say it wasn't also honest. I don't read everything he's posted, obviously, but SPIN doesn't appear to be a disgusting Jew-hater beyond that one wretched PM. But hey, it's not my or anyone else's assessment or forgiveness that matters, it's entirely up to hack. Will he accept SPIN's apology or not -- I do hope that SPIN is more worried about that... than whatever damage his cyber reputation on this stupid little board may have suffered.
And you can regard hack however the hell you want, you can colour his name however you wish, but he was terribly wronged here. And I was enraged. I got two PMs from posters who read an earlier post of mine here that I've since edited. One of them asked me if I was Jewish, was that why I was getting so out of character and angry over this. No, I'm not. But I have, on some occasions like this one, felt the sting of shame and anger that there weren't any Schindlers in my family.
What Tiberious wrote. Couldn't agree more, personally. I really did need to hear the whole story from SPIN, not just "sorry 'bout that". Again, this is just for us here in the peanut gallery. It's not at our feet that SPIN needs to grovel, it's at hack's. I hope very much that's been going on via the dreaded PM. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Fair post.
It's interesting how the online personalities of posters, and the ensuing squabbles, can make people forget the serious content matter often discussed even in so roguish a gallery as this.
Between hack being a schmuck and spin having a bad drunk, one can forget why we, especially those of certain nationalities, are so sensitive to the subject--and just how important it is to remain so.
I think the matter should now be left between spinoza(a username that is bitterly ironic now) and hack, I don't see how further commentary is going to inform our opinions and assessments on the matter to any better understanding at this point.
Selam, Shanti, Shalom, Pyeonghwa, and Frieden. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Fair post.
It's interesting how the online personalities of posters, and the ensuing squabbles, can make people forget the serious content matter often discussed even in so roguish a gallery as this.
Between hack being a schmuck and spin having a bad drunk, one can forget why we, especially those of certain nationalities, are so sensitive to the subject--and just how important it is to remain so.
I think the matter should now be left between spinoza(a username that is bitterly ironic now) and hack, I don't see how further commentary is going to inform our opinions and assessments on the matter to any better understanding at this point.
Selam, Shanti, Shalom, Pyeonghwa, and Frieden. |
Your post contains a run-on sentence, smarty pants. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| otis wrote: |
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Fair post.
It's interesting how the online personalities of posters, and the ensuing squabbles, can make people forget the serious content matter often discussed even in so roguish a gallery as this.
Between hack being a schmuck and spin having a bad drunk, one can forget why we, especially those of certain nationalities, are so sensitive to the subject--and just how important it is to remain so.
I think the matter should now be left between spinoza(a username that is bitterly ironic now) and hack, I don't see how further commentary is going to inform our opinions and assessments on the matter to any better understanding at this point.
Selam, Shanti, Shalom, Pyeonghwa, and Frieden. |
Your post contains a run-on sentence, smarty pants. |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=69608
(And you're wrong.) |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
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| Qualified apologies suck. You should say "Sorry, what I did was wrong, I won't do it again". That's a real apology. |
Words of wisdom, folks--take note. Though I do think an explanation was due in this case. |
That came across harsh. I think it's good that an apology was done. It would have been better if it was a full unreserved apology. Just a sorry I was wrong. Not a sorry I was wrong but I was provoked a bit. That's all Im saying. It doesn't matter if you were provoked. An apology comes across less sincere when there are qualifications, that's all. |
Yeah I wasn't being sarcastic when I said those are words of wisdom. I arrived late for a meeting years ago and said, "Sorry for being late, but I got stuck in traffic." The guy I was meeting dug into me about how worthless my apology was and that I should just say "sorry I'm late" next time. It was a good point.
Similarly, if you are going to say no to someone, don't qualify it. Just say no. Makes things easier. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| I'm glad there was some kind of 'resolution'. I started the thread because I was not at all happy with the "Let's go on about our business and pretend nothing ever happened" approach. |
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hack
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: |
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here it comes�..my long-awaited, sincere apology.
Sorry this is late, but���I�m sorry. Genuinely sorry. I was sorry about what I did the next day, but didn�t apologize immediately because I hoped it�d all go away ASAP. I didn�t want to prolong it. I can�t believe I did what I did! It�s definitely one of the most disgusting things I�ve ever done.
I say and do horrific things when under the influence. Man, I really gotta resist temptation and avoid Daves after a mammoth session. I�m always criticizing people who CLEARLY are posting drunk. I should take my own advice! Be honest (all of us)�..how many times have we all (a) started reading Daves after a session and (b) posted something stupid that you totally wouldn�t have done straightheaded? How many of us have typed out a lengthy drunk post full of vitriol and then thought �hmm�better not� and hit back on the browser? Usually, the �I was drunk, gimme a break� argument is insufficient. But in my case, whilst it doesn�t justify or excuse my behaviour, it does explain it. Drink turns me into a beast. I�m not an alcy (I only drink at weekends or special occasions during the week, which isn�t often) but when I do drink, I really do drink. Superman III-style, whilst still in control and rational, I just become a different person. Relationships in the past have suffered because of my stupidity with booze (and other things). It�d be an exaggeration to say �when straightheaded I don�t have a bad word to say about anything - I wouldn�t harm a fly�, but trust me, the difference between piss-drunk spin and straight spin is big. I�m OFTEN NICE when drunk, but if something sets me off, something ridiculous, something regretable, is gonna get said or done or both. I become over-confident, mouthy, argumentative, in the mood for a punch-up. Unfortunately, I do enjoy being in that condition, but really I should get a fookin grip! A coupla months ago, I was working away with some other waygooks. A drunken brall ensued between us because I started a bunch of crap. Next morning I couldn�t believe the things I�d said and done and was quick to apologize to the offended party. That incident could�ve had terrible consequences. Next morning after I PM�d Hack, I got the same feeling�.the �oh Christ, what did I do?� I just never learn.
People either accept my apologies on the basis that I�m basically a good kid. Some people ignore me forever. Depends on the person and how bad the crime. But what you�ve all gotta realize is that the guy who sent Hack that PM wasn�t the real, the normal, me.
I wanted to take the cheapest, easiest pot-shot at Hack because he posted that he thinks it�d be a great idea if dog-eaters all got sick and died. I thought that was pretty horrible, so I responded with something totally sick but it was � at the time, in that mental state � japery. In full grasp of my senses, it�s a sick thing to do. Drunk and stupid, it�s a bit of mindless fun, cheap retaliation, busting someone�s balls. Does Hack REALLY think all the expats who eat Boshintang ought to get sick and die? I doubt it, I hope not. Do I really think genocide is cool? Of course I don�t. It�s two guys being dumb as f***.
Which leads me on to��
Racism. There is no way in this world that I�m a racist. How many times have you seen a comment on Daves that went �OMG the Koreans are the most annoying, stupid, xenophobic, racist people on Earth� (even though this itself is all of those ajdectives) � see most of BWJD�s posts on Korea - followed by a protest from me? Quite a lot. I�m one of the most pro-Korea, pro-multiculturalist posters, have showed no other signs of belief in racial supremacy, so I ain�t a racist I�m afraid. To qualify as a racist, one must simply hate other races or another race (I don�t), believe that race accounts for behaviour or ability (I don�t) or believe people of another race are inferior, because of their race (I don�t). I�m not an anti-semite. Granted I don�t accept all the bull Israel gets away with uncritically and I�m certainly no fan of supporters of Israel in North America (because they�re a threat to world security � not because they�re Jewish), but I�m not a Jew-hater. I�m proud of my country for being the first to declare war on Nazi Germany. It was just a mindless, stupid, drunk act, under some provocation, which I regret. I apologize to other Jewish posters too. I�m an out of order, disgusting arsehole at times and I admit it and apologize sincerely for my actions. |
Thanks Spinoza-that took guts. I don't come on the board much anymore so happened to have your post drawn to my attention by someone still in Korea. I re-read all my posts and realize I was ranting but then you have to be raised in my religion to understand and believe me sometimes even I don't understand. I think it might be in my genes. I could say a thousand things right now but I won't. I'll just say one-I hope everyone has learned something from all of this-I know I have.
If you have been watching American news lately you know Kerry said something silly about a college education vs the army. He lost a lot of points over something that he meant to be a joke. Trying to stand back from what went on between us 1000 metres, I am guessing this is where you were coming from as well.
Apology accepted.
Shalom |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: |
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I say and do horrific things when under the influence. Man, I really gotta resist temptation and avoid Daves after a mammoth session. I�m always criticizing people who CLEARLY are posting drunk. I should take my own advice!
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Next time I see you in Seoul Pub, I'll buy you a drink for having the guts to post this. |
And a lesson was learned by all. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of anti-semitism, did you all know that the Jews were responsible for 9/11?
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http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-6-jewish-companies-96-percent-of-all-media.html
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Jewwatch. Wow Meegook, I can't believe that you posted that link. Amazing.
You need mental help. I'm not being an arse about that. You need help. |
Why is that? If I posted a link called BaseballWatch, would I need help too?
Why is it no one wants to talk about the Jews? I read about the Jews in the Bible almost everyday. No one says anything about that. We watch Jews' TV programs and movies and read their newspapers everyday, no one says anything about that.
I post a link that archives documents pertaining to the Jews and their history and I need help?
You need help getting over your fear of being labeled anti-semitic. You have Jewphobia. |
Oh, would that it were a joke. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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All right. This thread is done. Anyone who posts here from now on will receive a flaming ethnic-slur filled PM from me.
That is all. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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All right. This thread is done. Anyone who posts here from now on will receive a flaming ethnic-slur filled PM from me.
That is all. |
I'm half Welsh, 1/8 Indian (Metis) and the rest Western Canadian French. Have a go  |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
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All right. This thread is done. Anyone who posts here from now on will receive a flaming ethnic-slur filled PM from me.
That is all. |
I'm half Welsh, 1/8 Indian (Metis) and the rest Western Canadian French. Have a go |
I hope you didn't cry when you opened it, smartass.  |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| That's it! You are a... a bloody... YOU SUCK! |
See that? There's another posted PM for you all.
Post here and you will receive the same treatment as this sad, pathetic fool.
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