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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| The last democratic president was LBJ. Clinton was the best republican since Teddy R. Carter was a fairly mediocre republican. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| It's amazing how the parties have changed over the years. It's too bad that ignorant people think that the Democrats are liberal, and the Republicans are conservative. People that think that have no real idea what those words mean. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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I think the person who posted that old map that showed the Confederacy and the states open to slavery is very interesting. In the South, the plantation owners controlled things. There was no industry. There was almost a sense of an aristocracy more than there was in the North. The North gave up on the South when it came to integrating African Americans until the 1960s. To be fair, many in the South supported this, or it would not have happened.
However, it does speak volumes when racism is used in places like Tennessee and some parts of the South. That has nothing to do with a choice over Socialism and Republicanism. There is a huge gap between various regions of the U.S. The South has many who oppose the Democrats not simply because of an economic program. Some would support the Democrats if they went out against gay marriage and abortion. There is a cultural conflict in the country. It is not simply about economics. The country must sort that one out.
I think the political system should have several political political parties because Americans differ substantially on many issues, and it would make political corruption more difficult and help re-introduce populism. |
That's just pure crap.
The south is far more integrated than the north. I live so far down south that I'd fall into the Gulf of Mexico if I took another step. Nobody ever talks about gay marriage. Nobody cares.
Most people don't vote Democrat because the party has been hijacked by the far left.
It has nothing to do with skin color or anything else.
Christ, Howard Dean is the chairman. That should tell you something. |
You said skin color has nothing to do with politics. Come on, man. There was a racist advertisement directed at Harold Ford. What was that? Being friendly? What about Senator Allen's comments towards the Indian fellow? Was it simply a slip of the tongue? There is racism in the whole country, I don't disagree with that. However, it is more pronounced in certain parts of it. Where was Trent Lott from?
New Jersey? It is a national problem, but it is just more obvious, in your face, in some parts. You can't ignore the racial politics.
You also said the gay marriage issue and abortion issue are not important in the South. They are important in many parts of the country but more so in the West and in the South. You say it doesn't influence how people vote? According to whom? I also lived in the South for many years. It was an issue for the southerners. I understand why they oppose abortion. They have good intentions, but it is still an issue. If the gay issue is not more of an issue in the South than the North or West than why did California temporarily allow it and then Massachussetts and New Jersey sort of sanctioned it? Doesn't that show different issues play differently in different regions?
The democrats, politically, are not on the far left. They are to the right of most European capitalist countries or Canada. You are probably coming from the perspective that universal health care for all Americans is too far to the left you are willing to go. You are, perhaps, unless a libertarian for public schools and that is as far as you will go.
Define what is not too far to the left for you? It is too vague to discuss this without knowing where your parameters in this discussion are? |
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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| gay marriage is on the ballot in Virginia this time. i voted to allow it, but i think i'm in the minority. |
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MantisBot
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
Location: Itaewon, Seoul, SK
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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I'm not worried about the US electorate, I'm worried about those voting machines that keep NO back-up record of the votes cast, so if there are glitches or tampering there will be no way to prove how the votes really went. A lot of people don't understand the problems and dangers associated with those types of voting machines.
One of many articles about the security probs of Diebold machines:
http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1064 |
You know what made me laugh living in the states?
Walking into a bank and using an ATM made by Diebold.
You can bet your ass those things have receipts! Why can't votes get the same? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| It's amazing how the parties have changed over the years. It's too bad that ignorant people think that the Democrats are liberal, and the Republicans are conservative. People that think that have no real idea what those words mean. |
I've been thinking this for several years. The Democrats are the true middle of the road mainstream american conservatives, and the Republicans have become quite radical. I think it's important that the Democrats take back power before the constitution and peoples basic civil rights are completely trashed forever. We could start by getting rid of voting machines supplied by clearly partisan companies whose members have been up on fraud charges and all kinds of other chicanery... |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| I recall a high-school Social Studies teacher (in Canada) attempting to explain the US political system. She said, 'There's the Republican Party, which is the equivalent of our Conservative Party, and then there's the Democratic Party, which is the equivalent of our Conservative Party.' As for Otis, and his ranting about 'far left' and 'socialists'. He says he's from the South. I would remind him of the words of newly-minted conservative Dennis Miller. "'Deep South" is an oxymoron. Those people are anything but deep.' (He went on to say that it had something to do with spending too much time in the sequin mines, but you get the gist.) |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| I recall a high-school Social Studies teacher (in Canada) attempting to explain the US political system. She said, 'There's the Republican Party, which is the equivalent of our Conservative Party, and then there's the Democratic Party, which is the equivalent of our Conservative Party.' As for Otis, and his ranting about 'far left' and 'socialists'. He says he's from the South. I would remind him of the words of newly-minted conservative Dennis Miller. "'Deep South" is an oxymoron. Those people are anything but deep.' (He went on to say that it had something to do with spending too much time in the sequin mines, but you get the gist.) |
I am not sure we are asking the right question as some scientists might say. I don't think asking whether Americans are gullible is the appropriate question. Perhaps, a better question would be "Do Americans care about the issues that are truly important to them such as how they connect to their rise or fall based on taking part in shaping the government, and how the world is really like from the narratives of the people from those places, which is extremely important in a global age."
And the second question is "What causes them to not care if this is true?"
If we use the words gullible vis-a-vis Americans it is not a profound examination of cause, it simply looks at symptoms in a malicious way.
As far as the concept of the Far Left, that is associated with those who believe that those who have some Socialist tendencies tend to believe in the separation of church and state and providing some sort of economic playing field, which is actually a democratic notion, and it is not radical.
This encouraged the notion among some in the South that anything to the left of the right was too far for them. The concepts of the enlightenment
that spread through Europe and with the heavy European immigration to the East Coast did not penetrate into the South heavily. The South was more homogenous when compared to the East Coast so the prevailing thinking wasn't challenged and stirred enough, and I think the North was more in contact with the enlightenment thinkers of Europe in the 1800s. |
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