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Trumpcard
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: another hogwan sob story |
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well ive finally made it here, and accpeted a very basic standard contract with quite crappy pay. i felt i did a few things right - spoke to the current teachers, but all in all i feel duped. the school is a franchise from a big chain school and quite horrible. basically straight off the plane (after they kept me waiting 30 mins at the airport) i had to do some training and then next day class observations and then thrown straight in the deep end. bascially the pay is on the low side of average, the location in greater seoul is not quite nice. how can i get out of this and still work here? simply give my 6 weeks notice get the school to give me a letter of release and in the meantime find a more suitable employer willing to sponsor me? is this how it's done? and is my current visa still valid?
this is really not the experience i was planning on having and ive already been misled by the other teachers and the school on a grand scale. ive been here less than a month and truly hate working in this school. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: another hogwan sob story |
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Trumpcard wrote: |
well ive finally made it here, and accpeted a very basic standard contract with quite crappy pay. i felt i did a few things right - spoke to the current teachers, but all in all i feel duped. the school is a franchise from a big chain school and quite horrible. basically straight off the plane (after they kept me waiting 30 mins at the airport) i had to do some training and then next day class observations and then thrown straight in the deep end. bascially the pay is on the low side of average, the location in greater seoul is not quite nice. how can i get out of this and still work here? simply give my 6 weeks notice get the school to give me a letter of release and in the meantime find a more suitable employer willing to sponsor me? is this how it's done? and is my current visa still valid?
this is really not the experience i was planning on having and ive already been misled by the other teachers and the school on a grand scale. ive been here less than a month and truly hate working in this school. |
Well, I think four weeks notice is more appropriate, but whatever your contract says. Then you can hopefully get a letter of release (try to be nice about it, and try to get it atleast 2 weeks before leaving, saying when you are leaving). Then you will have to find another job and do a visa run to Japan. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Do a site search for Letter of Release / LOR. You'll find quite a few sagas. Your boss does not have to give you one and probably will be loathe to because if he gives one to you that means that anyone else who comes to the realisation there are better jobs out there can get one, too.
You may be able to get released from your contract but if you really want to leave you may have to look at 10 months in Taiwan, China, Thailand, or Japan because you will probably not be eligible to work at a new job until your current visa expires. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Do a site search for Letter of Release / LOR. You'll find quite a few sagas. Your boss does not have to give you one and probably will be loathe to because if he gives one to you that means that anyone else who comes to the realisation there are better jobs out there can get one, too.
You may be able to get released from your contract but if you really want to leave you may have to look at 10 months in Taiwan, China, Thailand, or Japan because you will probably not be eligible to work at a new job until your current visa expires. |
While true, just tell your boss that you will stay for the 6 weeks assuming he gives you the letter (predated) before (maybe right away). Be firm, but polite. You absolutely NEED it though. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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What's so bad about the school? You didn't explain much. |
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, and be prepared to fork over some cash for the ride over.
So, what's so bad about your school anyway? Details. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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You will also need to repay the flight ticket cost and may be asked to pay for advertizing for a replacement teacher.
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basically straight off the plane (after they kept me waiting 30 mins at the airport) i had to do some training and then next day class observations and then thrown straight in the deep end. bascially the pay is on the low side of average, the location in greater seoul is not quite nice. |
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all in all i feel duped. |
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ive already been misled by the other teachers and the school on a grand scale. |
I'm not clear why you feel duped/mislead.
Anyway, sorry you're unhappy and hope you can work out a better situation. |
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ajstew
Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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To the OP... you really should tell us more... because this sort of post is just asking for negative posts about you, and not supportive responses.
You come off as sounding elitist and too good for the position... since it clearly is okay for the other teachers you talked about.
You also suggest that the pay is on the low side of average... so I'm hoping your making something at or below 2,000 000 won a month because that is what I would consider to be just below average. I believe that many schools are offering 2,200 000 won a month and that is what most beginners should be settling for.
You also say the location in greater seoul is not quite nice. It'd be nice if you told us what is 'not quite nice' about it.'
Next... is it really so terrible that you had to wait 30 minutes at the airport? There could be any number of reasonable reasons for why that happened... early flight, traffic, distance, etc... To suggest that has contributed to your decision to leave is harsh.
Finally, like some other posters suggested here... be prepared to pay for the flight ticket your employer paid for you... YOU ARE CERTAINLY OBLIGATED TO DO THAT. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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ajstew wrote: |
To the OP... you really should tell us more... because this sort of post is just asking for negative posts about you, and not supportive responses.
You come off as sounding elitist and too good for the position... since it clearly is okay for the other teachers you talked about.
You also suggest that the pay is on the low side of average... so I'm hoping your making something at or below 2,000 000 won a month because that is what I would consider to be just below average. I believe that many schools are offering 2,200 000 won a month and that is what most beginners should be settling for.
You also say the location in greater seoul is not quite nice. It'd be nice if you told us what is 'not quite nice' about it.'
Next... is it really so terrible that you had to wait 30 minutes at the airport? There could be any number of reasonable reasons for why that happened... early flight, traffic, distance, etc... To suggest that has contributed to your decision to leave is harsh.
Finally, like some other posters suggested here... be prepared to pay for the flight ticket your employer paid for you... YOU ARE CERTAINLY OBLIGATED TO DO THAT. |
Definitely comes off as elitist, but still, if he/she is unhappy (even if they are spoiled by never having worked before or whatever), they should leave for the good of themselves and the hagwon (leave legally, giving notice). |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: another hogwan sob story |
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Trumpcard wrote: |
(1) well ive finally made it here, and accpeted a very basic standard contract with quite crappy pay. i felt i did a few things right - spoke to the current teachers, but all in all i feel duped. the school is a franchise from a big chain school and quite horrible. basically straight off the plane (2) (after they kept me waiting 30 mins at the airport) i had to do some training and then next day class observations (3) and then thrown straight in the deep end. bascially the pay is on the low side of average, the location in greater seoul is not quite nice. how can i get out of this and still work here? (4) simply give my 6 weeks notice get the school to give me a letter of release and in the meantime find a more suitable employer willing to sponsor me? is this how it's done? and is my current visa still valid?
(5) this is really not the experience i was planning on having and ive already been misled by the other teachers and the school on a grand scale. ive been here less than a month and truly hate working in this school. |
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1. Why did you accept the pay if you thought it was "crappy"? Did you think it was fine and then find out that the other teachers are making more or something? If you thought it was fine, well that was your decision. Same goes for if you thought it was bad.
2. 30 minutes is not that bad as another poster has pointed out. The traffic to and from the airport is (at times) truly horrendous.
3. This is STANDARD at most hakwons...they want you teaching soon as possible. Do you have your E-2 visa yet, or are you here on a tourist visa? If a tourist visa you can just leave and find another job. You only need the letter of release if you have the E-2 already.
4. Yes give notice and try to smooth things over so you can find another job. You will have to make a run to Japan though to get a new E-2 visa.
5. What kind of experience were you planning on having? This is not a working holiday. In a hakwon you will be working five days a week mimimum with only holidays and weekends off (maybe ten days vacation on top of that). And that is a good hakwon. |
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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ya, nobody was there to pick me up from the airport at all. They *ahem* forgot about it.
I'd still be standing there if I was a whiney little mama's boy. |
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archer904
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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To the OP (original poster, if you're new):
Be advised that a great many people on Dave's ESL Cafe have nothing better to do than sit in judgement of noobs and others and write insulting summations of their character and/or snarky responses about what they should or shouldn't do.
When they ask you why you want to leave, if you answer (and your answer isn't up to par), be prepared to get a bunch of responses belittling you, telling you why you're a whiner or a wimp, or telling you to go back home. As you can see, the judgements have already started and you haven't even provided any details yet.
Your question was "What should I do?" and a couple people have answered it. Ignore the ones that don't.
On to your question:
Your employer has paid out a lot of money to bring you to Korea. When you give notice, they may deduct the cost of your airfare from your pay. They may also refuse your letter of release, because they are pissed that you want to leave. They know if they don't give it to you that it means you won't be able to work elsewhere until your visa expires.
To get the letter of release, I would tell them that I'd like them to write a post dated letter immediately, and give it to you. Then you will complete your 6 weeks notice. If they refuse, tell them you won't be back to work the next day. These strongarm tactics aren't fun, but you don't have many other options.
I would also be a little bit flexible with them in terms of giving notice. Smile as much as you can, stay friendly, tell them the situation, and ask them how much time they need to find a new teacher. If you are working with them, they are much more likely to want to accommodate your requests. Especially if you're willing to repay the airfare.
Hope that helps. Any questions, just ask. |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: another hogwan sob story |
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You haven't given a whole lot of information. So, I'll just comment on what information you have provided.
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accpeted a very basic standard contract with quite crappy pay |
And who is responsible for this? You or them?
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(after they kept me waiting 30 mins at the airport) |
Oh puhleeaassee. As some others have mentioned in previous topic threads and in this one, feel yourself lucky to even get picked up. 30 minutes waiting? Oh my God, the horror!!!
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i had to do some training |
Now wait just a darn minute! You actually received some training? How many times have I read where there was NO training provided to a new recruit? Many, many, many.
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and then next day class observations |
Class observations also! Oh you poor abused person (insert sarcasm here). Consider yourself lucky, my friend.
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bascially the pay is on the low side of average |
And who is at fault for that, you or them?
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the location in greater seoul is not quite nice. |
What is "nice?" Are you living in a bordello? Over or next to a noraebang that keeps you up all night? Rats crawling on you in the middle of the night? No heat? No water? No appliances? What is "nice" to you?
I think you are correct. You do need to leave that job. I think they would be better off without you. Based on the information you have provided, and only that, your post comes close to being an insult to those on here who have serious problems like no pay, no insurance/pension, being forced to work illegally, no training, no class observations, threats, verbal abuse, living in a yogwan, etc., etc., etc.
From the "tone" of your post it appears you might have been in over your head the minute you stepped off the plane. Are you sure staying in Korea is the best option for you?
OK, rant over. Regardless, best of luck to you.
T |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: S.S. Offspring?! |
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Teufelswacht wrote: |
You haven't given a whole lot of information. So, I'll just comment on what information you have provided.
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accpeted a very basic standard contract with quite crappy pay |
And who is responsible for this? You or them?
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(after they kept me waiting 30 mins at the airport) |
Oh puhleeaassee. As some others have mentioned in previous topic threads and in this one, feel yourself lucky to even get picked up. 30 minutes waiting? Oh my God, the horror!!!
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i had to do some training |
Now wait just a darn minute! You actually received some training? How many times have I read where there was NO training provided to a new recruit? Many, many, many.
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and then next day class observations |
Class observations also! Oh you poor abused person (insert sarcasm here). Consider yourself lucky, my friend.
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bascially the pay is on the low side of average |
And who is at fault for that, you or them?
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the location in greater seoul is not quite nice. |
What is "nice?" Are you living in a bordello? Over or next to a noraebang that keeps you up all night? Rats crawling on you in the middle of the night? No heat? No water? No appliances? What is "nice" to you?
I think you are correct. You do need to leave that job. I think they would be better off without you. Based on the information you have provided, and only that, your post comes close to being an insult to those on here who have serious problems like no pay, no insurance/pension, being forced to work illegally, no training, no class observations, threats, verbal abuse, living in a yogwan, etc., etc., etc.
From the "tone" of your post it appears you might have been in over your head the minute you stepped off the plane. Are you sure staying in Korea is the best option for you?
OK, rant over. Regardless, best of luck to you.
T |
You've been a real D.B. for too long and, so, you must be punished.
Why are you so cold-hearted or, at the least, indifferent to stories about Caucasians suffering under the thumb of K-People?
Please explain, Sir.
R
P.S.: God will still love you as will I and, likely, other so-called Whites. Please explain away.
God bless, and stay away from some of the evangelical-minded Christians from the R.O.K. because they are like 1990s robots: They look like humans but, inside, are too hot or too cold depending upon which frame-of-mind they're suffering from at the particular moment, Brother. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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To everyone giving the OP a hard time: if 75% of us had, in the past, been stupid enough to buy a defective Pinto station wagon from Mr Lemon's Used Autos, need someone who's unhappy with his Pinto from Lemon's Autos explain himself in great detail? |
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