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Pedophilia, Republicans, Cover-ups, 1994 Elections... 9/11?
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject:

It should have been obvious to any thinking person that I was being tongue in cheek and playing around because this thread is going nowhere now. Second, that was not a far left view, it was a centrist view. It's the republican vision that is radical.

And if you want the serious part of that post isolated. It's here.

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If it concerns you why do you use the judgemental and loaded term "propaganda peice" instead of "documentary. It did not seem very political to me. The lawyer guy did not seem at all focused on the fact that it was the Republican party, and merely concerned in general that it involved government institutions and how they are able to cover up for each other. It didn't seem like a smear campaign against republicans. You could have used much more lugubrious language choices if you had wanted to taint the party. It seemed very steady and even handed, and seemed to be about wanting justice. What I found most chilling about it was the power of the FBI. I think they are out of control and operating almost independantly of any other entity, and they kill people, not just foreign dictators, they kill americans, and do it with impunity.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject:

Satori wrote:

It should have been obvious to any thinking person that I was being [tongue-in-cheek] and playing around...

Oh, I see. So now you are backpeddling.

Fine. Let's get "serious."

You make some pretty sensational allegations about the FBI, the entire institution, being out of control, killing "people," dictators, and Americans -- and with utter "impunity," no less.

Back it up, then. Be specific. Show me. Show me three specific cases -- which should not be difficult, as you accuse the entire institution and speak of people, dictators, and Americans in the plural. So show me one of each. Name names. Tell me where, when, and how "the FBI" has murdered with impunity.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

Satori wrote:

I'll expand...When is [A]merica going to get serious about democracy again like it used to be? America talks loud internationally about democracy and freedom, but at home you have neither....And I'm glad I'm not from [A]merica, I think it's deeply deeply rotten to the core at this stage of the game, and the problems seem systemic, endemic, and intractable...

Campaign finance...Go back to paper ballots...And get [rid] of polical contributions...Clean up the rules...Abolish the Fed...Get the FBI under control, they should be strictly controlled and answerable to the government. I know they are theoretically but not in practice...I think they are out of control and operating almost independantly of any other entity, and they kill people, not just foreign dictators, they kill [A]mericans, and do it with impunity. Outlaw handguns entirely, for everyone, everywhere...Legalise gay marriage...Legalise pot and decriminalise all drugs....Legalise prostitution...Pour huge amounts of money into alternative energy. Get the states weaned off oil quick....Pull out of Afganastan and Iraq...

There, I've just told you how to get your country back on track. Better get to work...

So, if what this is really about, for OP, is proving his pet 9/11 conspiracy project and taking advantage of another opportunity to launch into a diatribe against the Republican Party, what this is really about for you is an opportunity to push a far left agenda and lecture the United States, which, you allege, is "rotten." (You are a Canadian liberal, aren't you?)

It actually has little to do with pedarasts.

Glad we could straighten this out.

And this is the point where I point out that you antiAmericanism is so bitter and deeply-entrenched that it taints anything you think or say about the United States. This is also where some outraged third-party attacks me for being too nationalist and sensitive and unable to take criticism where criticism is due, among other things... Rolling Eyes

In any case, I'm through with this thread. I am satisfied that I know exactly what it is all about. Urban, anything to add at this point?

No I think you pretty much summed it up. Satori's contributions have nothing much to do with the topic...just an excuse to attack me and you, plus the U.S.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:20 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Gopher wrote:

Satori wrote:

In any case, I'm through with this thread. I am satisfied that I know exactly what it is all about. Urban, anything to add at this point?

No I think you pretty much summed it up. Satori's contributions have nothing much to do with the topic...just an excuse to attack me and you, plus the U.S.

Paranoid delusions ( again ). You`re not that important, I dont come into threads as "an excuse to attack you". I simply pointed out that at the point in the thread where you accused EFL Trainer of being off topic you had not made a single post on the topic. That was true. You were accusing him of doing something he wasn`t doing, but something that you definitely were doing. So the statement that you live in an alternative world was quite reasonable. And this latest post of yours is, again, completely unrelated to the topic. You`re still trying to derail the thread.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:43 am Post subject:

gang ah jee wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

So, were you an English teacher here? If so, why is it you don't know the difference between "republicans" and "the republicans," for example?

"This is a story of Boy's Town children being used in a sex and drug ring by Republicans."

vs

"This is a story of Boy's Town children being used in a sex and drug ring by the Republicans."

You're right that they have different meanings, but what you wrote is still a cheap slur. Do you actually train EFL teachers?

You acknowledge they have different meanings, then choose to ignore this and state that they are not. Cheap slur? All persons involved were Republicans. I stated republicans. Some were sent to prison for related issues. The claim is they were pedophiles and drug users. Where is the slur? Ah, I forget that the truth is a slur in this day and age.

Interesting. No, sad.

gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:51 am Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

English teachers in Korea are pedophiles and drug users.

Get it now?

edit: and hey, I've got no love for the Republican party, but reducing the level of discourse to tabloid headlines doesn't help the cause.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:04 am Post subject:

This is going to be fun.

Gopher wrote:

Satori wrote:

...Substantial enough for you?

Satori: be very clear where you are. Read the OP and the first two or three posts that follow it again.

You have intervened on a -- typical for the author -- overly-grandiose thread which carelessly, casually, and emotionally links multiple events over a broad space of time and presents this as proof that Republicans orchestrated and perpetrated 9/11, among other evil things.

This is a grotesque misrepresentation. There was nothing grandiose. It is, in fact quite simple. But let me 'splain it to you:

They were all republicans. The charges are of pedophilia and drug use. They are not my charges. I did not make them. In fact, I made no comments about the veracity or accuracy of the video, so how do you justify your claims?

Emotional? My comments were dry, in fact. It states simple facts and/or claims extant in the documentary, nothing more, and actually less.

9/11? The only reference to 9/11 was a comparative comment as to the size of the conspiracy required to not only have the events alleged occur, but to then be so completely diverted, covered up, and prevented from being aired. From this you get that I am linking the two events? THAT is an emotional pean. I in no way linked them. I compared them in scope as an example of just how large conspiracies can and do happen.

The RELEVANCE as to the political situation is with the 1994, and subsequent, elections. Had this scandal come out, the republicans would have been seriously damaged, particularly if even slightly true. If any of the allegations were accurate - any of them - the republicans would have never been able to "Monica" Clinton because they would have been lauged off the podium after wide spread pedophilia wre uncovered.

By extension, there would have been no impeachment and no hijacking of the national agenda for purely partisan reasons. By extension, possibly no total control of congress. By extension, no George Bush.

There are tipping points in history. It is possible the quashing of this documentary was one of them.

It is your response that is hysterical. Mine is simple observation and analysis.

Oh, and an apology to Satori. Thanks for the PM.

Last edited by EFLtrainer on Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:12 am; edited 2 times in total

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:09 am Post subject:

gang ah jee wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

What headline would have been appropriate? Your point makesno sense. What headline do I use to post a documentary about pedophilia, drug use, blackmail, the intentional destruction of witnesses lives and the conspiracy to have a documentary removed from television... all by republicans?

Please, I await your wisdom, Great Internet Editor.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject:

Satori wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

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No I think you pretty much summed it up. Satori's contributions have nothing much to do with the topic...just an excuse to attack me and you, plus the U.S.

That's not what you said before though. You said and I quote " No you haven't addressed the issue at all, while the OP has been on topic every post. " By THAT point I had addressed the topic several times.

If you didn't come here to attack me, how do you explain your second post in this thread which attacked me (and ironically was off-topic, the very thing which you took me to task for...as was your first.)

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject:

Satori wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

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No I think you pretty much summed it up. Satori's contributions have nothing much to do with the topic...just an excuse to attack me and you, plus the U.S.

Paranoid delusions ( again ). (1) You`re not that important, I dont come into threads as "an excuse to attack you". (2) I simply pointed out that at the point in the thread where you accused EFL Trainer of being off topic you had not made a single post on the topic. That was true. You were accusing him of doing something he wasn`t doing, but something that you definitely were doing. So the statement that you live in an alternative world was quite reasonable. (3) And this latest post of yours is, again, completely unrelated to the topic. You`re still trying to derail the thread.

(numbers are mine)

1. You seem to be spending a lot of time attempting to refute someone who isn't that important according to you.

2. I have asked four questions. Care to take a stab at answering them? Didn't think so.

3. You derailed this thread first with an attack on me. I was merely replying since your attack was "completely unrelated to the topic" Again would you care to reply to the four questions I posited? No? Then don't complain about the thread being derailed, because until those four questions are answered it is pointless to debate it.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject:

gang ah jee wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

This is a level of ignorance of English usage I am not quite accustomed to among native speakers. Hmmmm... That does help explain how Bush got elected, however... Twisted Evil

(I know, you're not a republican...)

Let me help you:

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English teachers in Korea are pedophiles and drug users.

is equal to

Quote:

All English teachers in Korea are...

Why? Adding "in Korea" creates a sub-group of all English teachers i the world and also does not differentiate any of the English teachers in Korea. In fact, it would include Korean teachers of English, also.

However, my "statement" was not a statement, but a title, which means it cannot be read as a sentence. Even if you did, it would need to be:

Quote:

all republicans, pedophilia...

You're welcome. I'm sure your check is in the mail. Twisted Evil

gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

You're welcome. I'm sure your check is in the mail. Twisted Evil

Ok, calm down rummy. Was just going to say actually that as far as the title goes, I see your point. Otherwise, you just made my point to Meegook over in his 9/11 thread.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject:

I did use the emotican.

gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject:

Oh sorry. I'm not always sure what that one means.

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