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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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 Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: 11,000 arrested in an operation in the US!!!! |
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Holy crap! The population of a small town has been arrested in the United States!!! 
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WASHINGTON � Nearly 11,000 fugitives, including 1,659 sex offenders, were swept up in what Attorney General Alberto Gonzales described Thursday as a record-breaking law enforcement operation targeting some of the nation's "worst" felons.
Focused in 24 states east of the Mississippi, the week-long "Operation Falcon III" roundup netted 100 murder suspects, one of whom died in a shootout with police near Atlanta.
"America's neighborhoods are safer today," Gonzales said. |
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-02-fugitives_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA
I think it's good. Arrest them and throw away the key!!  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Of the 1,659 fugitive sex offenders arrested, nearly 1,000 were wanted on charges of failing to register as a sex offender.
Sex offenders who fail to register face felony charges under the recently passed Adam Walsh Act. |
Their crime was not registering as being guilty of a crime for which they've already served time? WTF? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: 11,000 arrested in an operation in the US!!!! |
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| brento1138 wrote: |
Holy crap! The population of a small town has been arrested in the United States!!!
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WASHINGTON � Nearly 11,000 fugitives, including 1,659 sex offenders, were swept up in what Attorney General Alberto Gonzales described Thursday as a record-breaking law enforcement operation targeting some of the nation's "worst" felons.
Focused in 24 states east of the Mississippi, the week-long "Operation Falcon III" roundup netted 100 murder suspects, one of whom died in a shootout with police near Atlanta.
"America's neighborhoods are safer today," Gonzales said. |
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-02-fugitives_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA
I think it's good. Arrest them and throw away the key!! |
I know you just missed it, but it should be (an hopefully stays that way)...
Arrest them, try them and throw away the key  |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: 11,000 arrested in an operation in the US!!!! |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
Arrest them, try them and throw away the key |
Oh right, forgot that RATHER LARGE detail!  Sorry... lol |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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The start of conditioning the sheeple to accept large operations such as this.
Start with those who will garner little sympathy from the rest of the population, abuse them a little, violate their rights, etc and study the reaction of the rest of the sheeple.
Already we can see what the reaction is of some:
Arrest them all and throw away the key!
This was a practice run to see how to run a large scale arrest round-up. There will be many more in the near future. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| There will be many more in the near future. |
I hope its the people who say "sheeple" in a serious context next. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Of the 1,659 fugitive sex offenders arrested, nearly 1,000 were wanted on charges of failing to register as a sex offender.
Sex offenders who fail to register face felony charges under the recently passed Adam Walsh Act. |
Their crime was not registering as being guilty of a crime for which they've already served time? WTF? |
My understanding is that convicted "sex offenders," even after doing time, must register themselves for the rest of their lives.
If my understanding is correct...good, I agree. I also like to see these kinds of large ops run against wanted felons, sex offenders, and peddlers of child pornography.
So, again. Good.
Additional background on some aspects of what OP is reporting...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060727-7.html
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,640198190,00.html
http://www.cr.ex.state.ut.us/community/sexoffenders/ |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| All in time for mid-term elections, no doubt. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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Of the 1,659 fugitive sex offenders arrested, nearly 1,000 were wanted on charges of failing to register as a sex offender.
Sex offenders who fail to register face felony charges under the recently passed Adam Walsh Act. |
Their crime was not registering as being guilty of a crime for which they've already served time? WTF? |
My understanding is that convicted "sex offenders," even after doing time, must register themselves for the rest of their lives.
If my understanding is correct...good, I agree. I also like to see these kinds of large ops run against wanted felons, sex offenders, and peddlers of child pornography.
So, again. Good.
Additional background on some aspects of what OP is reporting...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060727-7.html
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,640198190,00.html
http://www.cr.ex.state.ut.us/community/sexoffenders/ |
First of all, I doubt anyone on this board is against measures that protect minors from rape/sexual assault/violent assault.
I read the Fact Sheet for the Adam Walsh act, and as it appears, I have no objections with preventing sex predators from striking, nor even increasing federal sentencing guidelines. My problem is with The National Sex Offender Registry. It seems that the State should have access to this registry, since sex offenders do strike again, but is it not a violation of a sex offender's rights to make public to any parent their previous activities, well after they've served their time?
Doesn't this kind of stigmitization prevent them from leading a normal life, should they wish to do so? |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| First of all, I doubt anyone on this board is against measures that protect minors from rape/sexual assault/violent assault. |
Strawman.
Of course not, and that's the point of the exercise.
The ratchet affect then starts.
The Authorities didn't have to do this Federally 'coordinated' wide area bust for these arrestees.
This is Police State activity. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Doesn't this kind of stigmitization prevent them from leading a normal life, should they wish to do so? |
This stigmatization (and what gung-ho neighbors might do with this information) does bother me. If an ex-felon wants to actually rehabilitate him or herself, he or she faces an uphill battle that probably cannot be won. This is esp. problematic with nonsex-offense-related ex-felons. Think of the ex-felon African-American cook who tried so hard to straighten his life out in the film Heat but so many external factors conspired against him and forced him back into crime, literally against his will.
Carter once proposed that legislatures wipe these people's slate entirely clean and enable them to start new. I thought it was a bold proposal, and was all for it, at least on a case-by-case basis. The far right, of course, attacked him and, if I recall, they likened him to Dukakis and inevitably brought Willie Horton into it...
Also, ambiguous "sex offenders" like Mary Kay Letourneau are probably forced to comply with the Adam Walsh Act as well. And, personally, I do not believe that she and a very few exceptions like her were truly sex offenders in the first place -- that is, I do not believe there is a continuing threat in these cases, and too many gung-ho parents, like you seem to anticipate, would destroy any life they tried to build.
On the other hand, this is a serious issue. Recidivism is extremely high with respect to sex offenders, particularly where children are involved. And every time there are large-scale ops like this, the most unsuspected, "trustworthy" people show up as sex offenders (bus drivers, nurses, police officers, teachers, the list goes on...and let's not forget about religious authorities). Perhaps it is best to err on the side of caution.
Yes, then, I share your reservations. But there are children involved as victims here. So I think if a convicted sex offender moves into a residential neighborhood, people should be warned. Perhaps they should also be counseled.
What else would you propose?
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Meegook wrote: |
The start of conditioning the sheeple to accept large operations such as this.
Start with those who will garner little sympathy from the rest of the population, abuse them a little, violate their rights, etc and study the reaction of the rest of the sheeple.
Already we can see what the reaction is of some:
Arrest them all and throw away the key!
This was a practice run to see how to run a large scale arrest round-up. There will be many more in the near future. |
That's a good point. Human rights abuses easily go unnoticed in such large scale operations. What's 50, 100, or even 1000 cases of abuse when you've got 10000 people who weren't abused? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| What's 50, 100, or even 1000 cases of abuse when you've got 10000 people who weren't abused? |
Why does it have to be either/or?
Laws and regulations are there to limit government power in abusing innocent people.
I can't see that we as a society are ahead in the game if we start abusing the rights of one group of innocent people in order to protect the rights of another group of innocent people. |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| All in time for mid-term elections, no doubt. |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: |
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How much longer before those who disagree - 'the dissenters' - are rounded up - by the Decider - for 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy - 'the terrorists' - and herded off to those detention camps Halliburton is building with their no bid $385 million open-ended contract? And then because there is no more habeas corpus protection in the United States, are left there indefinitely and tortured?
"BERKELEY, Calif.--A Halliburton subsidiary has just received a $385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities."
The contract -- announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR -- calls for preparing for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." The release offered no details about where Halliburton was to build these facilities, or when."
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