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Are you (practically speaking) Atheist?
Yes.
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No.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flotsam wrote:
If I had clicked on the link, I would think that was one of the funniest things I had ever seen. I also would think that gaj was probably most offended by Mrs. Garrison's breasts.

Too bad I'll never know.


Oh my Science just click on the fucking link will you Evil or Very Mad
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flotsam



Joined: 28 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
flotsam wrote:
If I had clicked on the link, I would think that was one of the funniest things I had ever seen. I also would think that gaj was probably most offended by Mrs. Garrison's breasts.

Too bad I'll never know.


Oh my Science just click on the *beep* link will you Evil or Very Mad


Mouth off again and I'll crush your skull like a clam on my belly.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the esoteric purpose of Buddhism is to rehabilitate atheists, gradually getting 'em back on the spiritual path in the right (theistic...) direction.

Another treatment for those inflicted with virulent atheism is a "musical cure": http://www.betarecords.com/openframeset.php?content=/jalebi
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
I think that the esoteric purpose of Buddhism is to rehabilitate atheists, gradually getting 'em back on the spiritual path in the right (theistic...) direction.

Another treatment for those inflicted with virulent atheism is a "musical cure": http://www.betarecords.com/openframeset.php?content=/jalebi


This sounds the exact same as those moronic bible thumping Christians who set up, "Save people from homosexuality" sessions (since homosexuality is a disease) which in my opinion, are evil.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Materialism is the basic disease of this world. It almost universally aflicts atheists, but religions are not exempt - most religionists are also materialistic ...

From a spiritual perspective it's a diseased condition because it (our primary attachment to all types of sex life...) keeps us entangled in the cycle of repeated births and deaths in various forms of life throughout the material universes - potentially for millions of years...

Our healthy, constitutional position is realized when we return to our indestructible, ever-youthful and free-from-all-suffering bodies in the spiritual sky along with innumerable other eternally liberated souls in association with the supreme eternal person...
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
Materialism is the basic disease of this world. It almost universally aflicts atheists, but religions are not exempt - most religionists are also materialistic ...

From a spiritual perspective it's a diseased condition because it (our primary attachment to all types of sex life...) keeps us entangled in the cycle of repeated births and deaths in various forms of life throughout the material universes - potentially for millions of years...

Our healthy, constitutional position is realized when we return to our indestructible, ever-youthful and free-from-all-suffering bodies in the spiritual sky along with innumerable other eternally liberated souls in association with the supreme eternal person...


Like I said, the exact same. But a serious question Rteacher (I am actually curious), does your religion have some sort of apocolypse at any time in any of the cycles, and what would happen if all life was destroyed on the planet?
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vedic cosmic time correlates to Brahma, the original person and chief demigod in each universe. The four different ages - or yugas - cyclically appear just like the four seasons. One complete "yuga-cycle" lasts 4,300,000 years...

One thousand of such cycles, lasting 4,320,000,000 years, comprises one day of Brahma, the demigod who governs this universe. A day of Brahma is also called a kalpa. Each of Brahma's nights lasts a similar period of time. Life is only manifest on earth during the day of Brahma. With the onset of Brahma's night, the entire universe is devastated and plunged into darkness. When another day of Brahma begins, life again becomes manifest.

Each day of Brahma is divided into 14 manvatara periods, each one lasting 71 yuga cycles. Preceding the first and following each manvatara period is a juncture (sandhya) the length of a Satya-yuga (1,728,000) years. Typically, each manvantara period ends with a partial devastation. According to Puranic accounts, we are now in the twenty-eight yuga cycle of the seventh manvatara period of the present day of Brahma. This would give the inhabited earth an age of 2.3 billion years. Interestingly enough, the oldest undisputed organisms recognised by palaeontologists - algae fossils such as those from the Gunflint formation in Canada - are just about that old (Stewart 1983, p. 30). Altogether, 524 yuga cycles have elapsed since this day of Brahma began. Each yuga cycle involves a progression from a golden age of peace and spiritual progress to a final age of violence and spiritual degradation. At the end of each Kali-yuga, the earth is practically depopulated.

So, there is a partial devastation of the universe at the end of each day of Brahma's life, and there is practically a total devastation at the end of Brahma's lifetime (100 of his years...) Everything, including all remaining living entities in their dormant state, are wound back up into the body of Maha Vishnu (and are manifest again at the time of the next creation...)

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/purantime.htm
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flotsam



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They went loose in the post prior, but the wheels really came off with that last one. Lordy.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, my flying carpet don't need no stinkin' wheels... Cool
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flotsam



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:


gaj, you are so fucking dead for this.
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Troll_Bait



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
Vedic cosmic time correlates to Brahma, the original person and chief demigod in each universe. The four different ages - or yugas - cyclically appear just like the four seasons. One complete "yuga-cycle" lasts 4,300,000 years...

[ ... ]

So, there is a partial devastation of the universe at the end of each day of Brahma's life, and there is practically a total devastation at the end of Brahma's lifetime (100 of his years...) Everything, including all remaining living entities in their dormant state, are wound back up into the body of Maha Vishnu (and are manifest again at the time of the next creation...)

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/purantime.htm


What I want to know is if there's an epic battle between the forces of good and evil at the end, like at Armageddon or the Battle of Ragnar�k.* Will it be like Lord of the Rings, with hordes of anti-Krishnan ogres and goblins coming out of the earth, and we're like, "Die, ogres!" and they're like, "Grrr!" and we're like, "Get 'em!" and they're like "Arrggg!" That'd be cool.

* In Norse mythology, Ragnar�k ("fate of the gods") is the battle at the end of the world. It would be waged between the gods (the �sir, led by Odin) and their aggressors (the j�tnar, along with Loki and his monstrous children). Not only will some of the gods, giants, and monsters perish in this apocalyptic conflagration, but almost everything in the universe will be torn asunder.
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Maserial



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troll_Bait wrote:
Rteacher wrote:
Vedic cosmic time correlates to Brahma, the original person and chief demigod in each universe. The four different ages - or yugas - cyclically appear just like the four seasons. One complete "yuga-cycle" lasts 4,300,000 years...

[ ... ]

So, there is a partial devastation of the universe at the end of each day of Brahma's life, and there is practically a total devastation at the end of Brahma's lifetime (100 of his years...) Everything, including all remaining living entities in their dormant state, are wound back up into the body of Maha Vishnu (and are manifest again at the time of the next creation...)

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/purantime.htm


What I want to know is if there's an epic battle between the forces of good and evil at the end, like at Armageddon or the Battle of Ragnar�k.* Will it be like Lord of the Rings, with hordes of anti-Krishnan ogres and goblins coming out of the earth, and we're like, "Die, ogres!" and they're like, "Grrr!" and we're like, "Get 'em!" and they're like "Arrggg!" That'd be cool.

* In Norse mythology, Ragnar�k ("fate of the gods") is the battle at the end of the world. It would be waged between the gods (the �sir, led by Odin) and their aggressors (the j�tnar, along with Loki and his monstrous children). Not only will some of the gods, giants, and monsters perish in this apocalyptic conflagration, but almost everything in the universe will be torn asunder.


Count me off H�nir's team. What a cockmunch.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding is that although the current age tends to get increasingly degraded there will be an extended period of peace and harmony for the next 10,000 years (although another world war might be necessary first if the general level of spiritual conciousness doesn't improve dramatically...)

But after that relatively brief period, things will progressively deteriorate in all respects...

Srimad-Bhagavatam 9:16:33 Purport

"The next avatar incarnation is Kalki. That is yet to take place. Kalki avatara will appear at the end of this age, Kali- yuga. The age of Kali-yuga, duration of this age is still to be, I mean to say, fulfilled in 400,000's of years. So at the end of Kali, that means at the last stage, after about 400,000's of years, the incarnation of Kali will appear. That is predicted in the Vedic literatures, as Lord Buddha's appearance was also predicted in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. And Srimad-Bhagavatam was compiled five thousand years ago, and Lord Buddha appeared about 2,500 years ago. Therefore about Lord Buddha's appearance it is predicted that at the beginning of Kali-yuga Lord Buddha will appear. There was prediction, and that has actually come to be true. Similarly, there is prediction about Kalki avatara, and that will also come to be true. So at that time Lord Kalki's business will be simply to kill. No instruction. Just like... In Bhagavad- gita Lord Krsna gave instruction in the shape of Bhagavad-gita. But at the end of Kali-yuga, people will be so much degraded that there is no more possibility to give any instruction. They will not be able to understand even. At that time the only weapon will be to kill them. And one who is killed by the Lord, he also gets salvation. That is God's all-merciful quality. Either He protects or He kills, the result is the same. So that will be the last stage of this Kali-yuga, and after that, again Satya-yuga, the age of religiosity, will begin. These are the statements of Vedic literature."

http://www.harekrsna.com/philosophy/associates/demons/vishnu/kalki.htm

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/kalki_the_next_avatar_of_God.htm

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flotsam



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maserial wrote:

Count me off H�nir's team. What a cockmunch.


Oh, rah-ther.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
Materialism is the basic disease of this world. It almost universally aflicts atheists, but religions are not exempt - most religionists are also materialistic ...

From a spiritual perspective it's a diseased condition because it (our primary attachment to all types of sex life...) keeps us entangled in the cycle of repeated births and deaths in various forms of life throughout the material universes - potentially for millions of years...

Our healthy, constitutional position is realized when we return to our indestructible, ever-youthful and free-from-all-suffering bodies in the spiritual sky along with innumerable other eternally liberated souls in association with the supreme eternal person...

I was with you for the first sentence. Materialism is the driving force of conflict in the world, along with religion. But the sex drive is a natural and instinctive drive that has nothing to do with materialism and everything to do with the reptilian brain at the base of the skull, the one that also tells us to quickly assess whether the other guy is stronger or weaker, beat him up if he's weaker, and run if he's stronger, the one that reminds us to breath, eat, drink, defacate, and micturate. The one that keeps us alive basically. Denegrating the sexual is denegrating the human, and pretty gross really.
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