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US Body Count: Analysis of Who is Dying and How

 
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Interested



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:18 pm    Post subject: US Body Count: Analysis of Who is Dying and How Reply with quote

This article gives a breakdown of US casualties in Iraq.

http://www.counterpunch.com/wheeler11022006.html

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Nearly 50,000 American Casualties
The US Body Count in Iraq: an Analysis of Who is Dying and How


Note: You have to scroll down past the fundraising appeal to get to the article.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, does this thread have a point, actually? Very Happy
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The numbers alone are enough for sober refelction and reconsideration of current events and choices.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx

Don't forget all those wounded soldiers.


Late 70's. A little boy gets lost in the mall. He frantically searches for his mom, but she is nowhere to be found. He suddenly realizes he should have paid attention to his mother's warnings to stay close to her. As he walks through the hall, he sees a tall old man standing straight as an arrow in the corner by the entrance. He wears a berret and has rows of medals pinned to his chest. He looks like someone who must be very important to the boy. With tears in his eyes, the boy asks the proud old man if he could help him find his mom.

I later learned that the man was my aunt's dad. He was a war-amputee, lost an arm in WW2. He was on veteran's pension, so to keep himself busy, he would volunteer as a security guard at the local mall. He always looked sharp in his Royal Canadian Legion member's uniform, left-sleeve neatly folded and fastened with a pin.


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Octavius Hite



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Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great article on the terror being inflicted now on US soldiers, it would serve Rumsfeld well to go back and look at the Battle of Stalingrad. Go here and read it all:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/03/news/sniper.php

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KARMA, Iraq: The bullet passed through Lance Corporal Juan Valdez- Castillo as his patrol moved down a muddy urban lane. It was a single shot. The marine fell against a wall, tried to stand and fell again. His squad leader, Sergeant Jesse Leach, faced where the shot had come from, raised his rifle and grenade launcher and quickly stepped between the sniper and the bloodied marine. He walked backward, scanning, ready to fire........
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I feel so sorry for these young soldiers who went off believing they were doing a great thing for their country, but were used as cannon fodder in a most disgraceful exercise. Even those who come out physically unscathed will probably have mental problems for the rest of their lives. And for what? We should never never send our young people to fight a war unless that war is truly necessary and justified.

I know an Australian Vietnam veteran - he was never wounded but even after all these years he suffers from terrible depression and post traumatic stress. Unfortunately, few people can understand his terrible suffering (they think he should just get over it) and he feels very isolated, even from his own family. What was that war about?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interested wrote:
Yeah, I feel so sorry for these young soldiers who went off believing they were doing a great thing for their country, but were used as cannon fodder in a most disgraceful exercise. Even those who come out physically unscathed will probably have mental problems for the rest of their lives. And for what? We should never never send our young people to fight a war unless that war is truly necessary and justified.

I know an Australian Vietnam veteran - he was never wounded but even after all these years he suffers from terrible depression and post traumatic stress. Unfortunately, few people can understand his terrible suffering (they think he should just get over it) and he feels very isolated, even from his own family. What was that war about?


Sadly enough, that war actually had some rationale. Most in positions of power at that time, I believe, actually thought the USSR was a threat. They didn't really hav a clue how, but they thought so. The Domino theory was probably believed by most, used by others.

I don't think anyone can claim a single legitimate rationale for going into Iraq. And the only one that did exist wasn't the one we went in for.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Right, does this thread have a point, actually?


I think the point as always is, WHAT isn't said but inferred.

Mainly, that the article didn't have a profile of the socio-economic background of those who have died. In this, the similarity with Vietnam is eerie and we can note, little changes......war is paid for by those who would gain, little profit, from the outcome. (also let us note the similiar levels of casualties after 3 + years and also the similiarity of administrations with no real plan but ....stay the course, of course, we are eventually, soon , gonna pull out but we don't know when....blablabla...the Iraqis/s.vietnamese will soon take charge for us, we are fighting a world war against communism/terroism, boogiemanism......).

Sounds like common knowledge - the poor, young, dying in a war? Sure, that is why it is ignored and little attention is paid to it. Like gravity, took a Newton to call it for what it was......though it was noticed everywhere. Please all reread, Johnny Got a Gun.


DD
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