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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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 Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: Where is the media when the church is doing something good |
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Ted Haggerd is just another example of the media bias.
Throughout the world the church is doing amazingly good works, but it shifts its lens to highlight it's problems.
Why are there no articles on Heidi Baker and the thousands of orphans that she and her team are feeding?
How about YWAM and its amazing stuff that it does?
Or hope for the nations and the incredible things that it is doing?
And the thousands of other organizations that are true to words and works of Christ, but continue to be ignored in the face of hypocrisy. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: Re: Where is the media when the church is doing something go |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
Throughout the world the church is doing amazingly good works, but it shifts its lens to highlight it's problems. |
Mother Teresa got a Nobel. What more do you want? Anyways, the same "bias" applies to everyone. As they (kind of) say: Good news is no news. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Dog bites man; no news. Man bites dog; news.
And are you really truly sure you want the media watching what religion does away from the spotlight? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:21 am Post subject: |
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You do have a point that many churches whether Protestant or Catholic contribute to feeding so many people and positive actions. However, the media often believes that focusing on the negative is the best way to go. I suggest the media start something where they at least have positive news a quarter of the time. They could show the good work done by some Christians, show African Americans helping their communities and a message they want for their community, showing the good work of the SPCA, showing Israelis and Palestinians who are friends with one another and want peace. The way the media deals with news is bad for the psyche of the nation.
As far as this Evangelical fellow, the media is looking to point out the Christian Right, as represented by the Protestant Charismatics, which has long been pointing fingers at Democrats and those who are somewhat secular have many skeletons in their closet. They allow their zealousness for opposing gay marriage to cloud their judgement as to what is politically feasible and what is not. They are manipulated in a way that divides the U.S. I am not a big fan of gay marriage, but at least same sex unions should not have also been banned because it may violate the constitution, ultimately. As someone said, some religious figures have been covered positively like Billy Graham, Pope John Paul II, and Mother Teresa. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Dog bites man; no news. Man bites dog; news.
And are you really truly sure you want the media watching what religion does away from the spotlight? |
It already does in a negative way...why not in a positive way?
I mean here are some of the recent stories that I can think of,
1. Benny Hinn was accused of stealing money, fake healings and fake orphanage building. Accusations, but no arrests?
2. The Catholic church and its crap.
3. And others.
The media has become a massive gossip left winged outlet. Think about celebrities and what happens when a problem comes to surface. It increases their appeal.
Anyway, its incredible the power the media outlets wield. They have just destroyed a man who was the pastor of mega-church, head of the evangelical movement and the father of five. All, within a matter of days and all based upon allegations. |
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insamjunkie
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, its incredible the power the media outlets wield. They have just destroyed a man who was the pastor of mega-church, head of the evangelical movement and the father of five. All, within a matter of days and all based upon allegations. |
How is he destroyed?? He lost his job, sure, but that's like saying a bank manager who was caught embezelling has been "destroyed". The guy is obviously not suited for the position anymore.
He's still a father and a husband, he's still free and able to provide for his family.
The only thing that's been 'destroyed' is the lie this guy was living. If anything it's all for the best, now he can live his life as the person he is instead of a dirty secret. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Where is the media when the church is doing something go |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
Ted Haggerd is just another example of the media bias.
Throughout the world the church is doing amazingly good works, but it shifts its lens to highlight it's problems.
Why are there no articles on Heidi Baker and the thousands of orphans that she and her team are feeding?
How about YWAM and its amazing stuff that it does?
Or hope for the nations and the incredible things that it is doing?
And the thousands of other organizations that are true to words and works of Christ, but continue to be ignored in the face of hypocrisy. |
Hypocrisy sells. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:59 am Post subject: re: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Dog bites man; no news. Man bites dog; news.
And are you really truly sure you want the media watching what religion does away from the spotlight? |
It already does in a negative way...why not in a positive way?
I mean here are some of the recent stories that I can think of,
1. Benny Hinn was accused of stealing money, fake healings and fake orphanage building. Accusations, but no arrests?
2. The Catholic church and its crap.
3. And others.
The media has become a massive gossip left winged outlet. Think about celebrities and what happens when a problem comes to surface. It increases their appeal.
Anyway, its incredible the power the media outlets wield. They have just destroyed a man who was the pastor of mega-church, head of the evangelical movement and the father of five. All, within a matter of days and all based upon allegations. |
What is wrong with you fiveeagles? I am not a friend of atheism or liberal bias in the media, but would you have Haggard get away with his hypocrisy (he did admit to doing what he was accused of doing)? The only person who "destroyed" Haggard was himself.
Peace |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, its incredible the power the media outlets wield. They have just destroyed a man who was the pastor of mega-church, head of the evangelical movement and the father of five. All, within a matter of days and all based upon allegations. |
How is he destroyed?? He lost his job, sure, but that's like saying a bank manager who was caught embezelling has been "destroyed". The guy is obviously not suited for the position anymore.
He's still a father and a husband, he's still free and able to provide for his family.
The only thing that's been 'destroyed' is the lie this guy was living. If anything it's all for the best, now he can live his life as the person he is instead of a dirty secret. |
His life will never be the same and like I have said, based upon allegations. His life with his family will never be the same. The respect and honor he once received is now shame and condemnation. It's a different thing than a bank manager because he would receive his day in court. Here, the court is public opinion.
Like I have said, maybe he is guilty and thus why he has stepped down. But I believe he deserves his rights to fair and balanced media rather than a witch hunt. Personally, I don't like the guy's teaching and his attitudes, but that doesn't matter. He deserves a fair shake, even if he is a hypocrite. So Seoul Unitarian, it is about love. Love brings about restoration, condemnation only destroys.
Here's a good perspective on the issue,
Tony Campolo: If you don't like the heat: stay out of the kitchen |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: |
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Love brings about restoration, condemnation only destroys.
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Haggard and his ilk do a lot of condemning of gays and their "lifestyle." In fact they want to ensure that they destroy any chance gays have at being treated equally under the law this Tuesday.
So where's the love eh? Oh that's right, it's conditional to what's between someone's legs.
Frankly I don't think the church making literally millions of people feel ashamed of who they are is doing any particular "good", especially when they're clearly stacked with so many closeted gays themselves. Time to get real.
What a load of crap the religious freaks are. They all talk the "love" talk but when push comes to shove they're all the same hypocrites.
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insamjunkie
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Here's a bit of love for Christians from Camille Paglia.
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But religion is absolutely central to this country in ways that Europe's secularized intellectuals fail to understand. I'm speaking here as an atheist who studies religion and respects it enormously. In the history of mankind, the benefits that religion has brought to society in shaping behavior and moral choice are overwhelming in comparison to the negatives, which anyone can list -- like religious wars and bigotry. Without religion, we'd have anarchy.
Religion is also a metaphysical system that honors the largeness of the universe. It's that sense of largeness, which my generation used to call cosmic consciousness, that is missing in the cynical ideologies promoted by the elite universities -- like post-structuralism, which is obsessed with politics and language and has a depressingly debased view of human experience. Post-structuralism doesn't see the stars or the enormity of nature, which for religious people symbolizes God's power.
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http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/10/27/paglia/index4.html |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Why aren't trains that don't crash news worthy?
When a plane lands safely at an airport, why don't we hear about that?
When no children are killed with assault weapons at school, why can't we read about that?
So, sort of a stupid question, huh? Things behaving like they're supposed to aren't news.
If churches doing what they're supposed to be doing did make the news, it would mean that their doing so was rare enough to merit a headline. So, be thankful that most churches seem to have a handle on feeding the poor and rescuing orphans. And be thankful that a free press can help to expose the rotten, hypocritical SOBs who give churches a bad name. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Why aren't trains that don't crash news worthy?
When a plane lands safely at an airport, why don't we hear about that?
When no children are killed with assault weapons at school, why can't we read about that?
So, sort of a stupid question, huh? Things behaving like they're supposed to aren't news.
If churches doing what they're supposed to be doing did make the news, it would mean that their doing so was rare enough to merit a headline. So, be thankful that most churches seem to have a handle on feeding the poor and rescuing orphans. And be thankful that a free press can help to expose the rotten, hypocritical SOBs who give churches a bad name. |
I don't think you make a good point, because I believe that good news is newsworthy. Unlike something simple like you have suggested. Feeding thousands upon thousands, or people being healed by cancer by faith or signs and wonders are definitely newsworthy. The news for the most part chooses to ignore it because it doesn't want the truth. For example, you go into a movie store and you look through the movies and most of them are porn, horror or violence. You might be lucky to find one or two based upon a good theme. |
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