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R-Seoul

Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Location: your place
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: A first taste of Korean xenophobia... |
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Well everybody�s been giving their 2 cents worth on was that/ wasn�t that Korean racism so I thought I�d share an experience I had this weekend.
On Sunday a Korean friend invited me to the theatre, the venue was the B-Boy theatre in Hongdae, we buy tickets and guess what W30,000 for my Korean friend and W50,000 for me. Um, come again!?? Because I am a foreigner we are told. Yes that�s right folks the theatre has adopted a racist ticketing policy. In a daze I buy my �foreigner� ticket and during the performance mull over the reasons for their policy. Was it to avoid the �ugly foreigner� syndrome? We aren�t talking about a place on Itaewon high street this was a hard to find underground theatre where some knowledge of Korean or being invited by Koreans would be imperative. Was it because the theatre felt the performance may be hard for foreigners to understand? Nope, ironically this was a non-verbal celebration of American street culture with breakdancing, hip-hop beats, English lyrics and I counted at least two dancers wearing basketball shirts with the words USA emblazoned on the front. No, as far as I could make out the only reason behind the policy was to embarrass, offend and humiliate any foreigners hoping to attend, something they achieved perfectly in my case... |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I went into U-Para (like a game room with bowling, batting cages etc....) and paid half of what my korean friend paid. |
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denistron
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Location: Busan
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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This can go both ways sometimes. When taking the fairy to Jejudo I didn't have to wait in line or go through a metal detector like all the other people. I was taken to the front and put right through. But why!? |
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I was overcharged for medicine at a pharmacy in Cheonan at the weekend and didn't get the customary free drink until my Korean friend pointed it out to the owner who had tried to charge me for it. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Ya, good things and bad things. They should get rid of both ofcourse. But in China, I never had to go through metal detectors or have my bags searched. I got into 200 kwai entrance fee clubs for free, etc etc. Ofcourse I also hit where some people just wouldn't talk to me because I was a foreigner, etc. Good and bad, should be wiped out, but unless it really affects us, I am not going to do anything but complain, and be happy when it helps us out. |
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denistron
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Location: Busan
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I went ti U-para with a korean firend. She had to pay to get a membership while I went in for free. Strange. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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denistron wrote: |
When taking the fairy to Jejudo |
You boys have a nice trip? |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Why didn't you just get your friend to go to the ticket booth himself and buy two tickets and then just give one to you? |
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aldershot

Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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denistron wrote: |
When taking the fairy to Jejudo... |
i usually take the unicorn. the cave troll is a nuisance, and the orcs don't treat you like one of their own.  |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003 Location: 서울
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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yeah i had a similar experience with that lousy NB club (the one in kangnam, not hongdae). my korean friends were asked for 10,000, and me and my english friend (who had just that very day come over to visit me) were asked for 15,000.
so... i said, screw this, i'm not going! i felt especially bad for my friend, since this was his first trip out anywhere in korea and no doubt gave him a really bad impression.
one of the people we were with, a girl i knew, got really mad at ME for 'ruining' the occasion and not just paying up. after that she refused to speak to me for several months. later she went to study in australia and ended up apologising to me after experiencing some prejudice about something there and realising what its like to be treated like that. i've often had this kind of experience- i find myself sympathising when my korean friends go to my country and face prejudice, but when i complain about something like that here, i just get some ridiculous 'ah, but that's korean culture', or the 'ahh but there are many bad foreigners in korea' response.
anyway.. whether we like it or not, as foreigners we will occasionally face overcharging or rejection of our custom in bars, shops and so on. boycotting such places will just give them what they want, but i don't see what else we can do. its certainly better than forking out the extra money, which would just make us look totally spineless. 99.9% of places will accept our custom, so there's no reason to pay up for this crap. |
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: A first taste of Korean xenophobia... |
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R-Seoul wrote: |
Well everybody�s been giving their 2 cents worth on was that/ wasn�t that Korean racism so I thought I�d share an experience I had this weekend.
On Sunday a Korean friend invited me to the theatre, the venue was the B-Boy theatre in Hongdae, we buy tickets and guess what W30,000 for my Korean friend and W50,000 for me. Um, come again!?? Because I am a foreigner we are told. Yes that�s right folks the theatre has adopted a racist ticketing policy. In a daze I buy my �foreigner� ticket and during the performance mull over the reasons for their policy. Was it to avoid the �ugly foreigner� syndrome? We aren�t talking about a place on Itaewon high street this was a hard to find underground theatre where some knowledge of Korean or being invited by Koreans would be imperative. Was it because the theatre felt the performance may be hard for foreigners to understand? Nope, ironically this was a non-verbal celebration of American street culture with breakdancing, hip-hop beats, English lyrics and I counted at least two dancers wearing basketball shirts with the words USA emblazoned on the front. No, as far as I could make out the only reason behind the policy was to embarrass, offend and humiliate any foreigners hoping to attend, something they achieved perfectly in my case... |
And not only that, but another discriminatory thing that Koreans do that drives me nuts is when they pay 2.2/mnth to work 30hr/week, free accommodation, and airfare to 22 yr old college grads from the West who have no formal teaching experience or education and they turn around and pay 1.5/mnth to Korean teachers with degrees in English Ed with experience and make them work 40-50 hrs a week, having to also do peon jobs like cleaning the school, consulting with mothers on the phone, etc...
Oops wrong thread. Where's the 'the discrimination and stereotyping of the color of your skin is a double-edged sword that also equates to a big reason for your financial livelihood, so who gives a shit when the other side of that sword decides to charge you an extra 20,000 won to get into a club" thread? |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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When I went to Lotte World with my girlfriend, my ticket cost more than hers because it was the foreigner fee. I don't know if that was normal, but whatever, she was treating me for the day, so I didn't care.  |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: A first taste of Korean xenophobia... |
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chronicpride wrote: |
R-Seoul wrote: |
Well everybody�s been giving their 2 cents worth on was that/ wasn�t that Korean racism so I thought I�d share an experience I had this weekend.
On Sunday a Korean friend invited me to the theatre, the venue was the B-Boy theatre in Hongdae, we buy tickets and guess what W30,000 for my Korean friend and W50,000 for me. Um, come again!?? Because I am a foreigner we are told. Yes that�s right folks the theatre has adopted a racist ticketing policy. In a daze I buy my �foreigner� ticket and during the performance mull over the reasons for their policy. Was it to avoid the �ugly foreigner� syndrome? We aren�t talking about a place on Itaewon high street this was a hard to find underground theatre where some knowledge of Korean or being invited by Koreans would be imperative. Was it because the theatre felt the performance may be hard for foreigners to understand? Nope, ironically this was a non-verbal celebration of American street culture with breakdancing, hip-hop beats, English lyrics and I counted at least two dancers wearing basketball shirts with the words USA emblazoned on the front. No, as far as I could make out the only reason behind the policy was to embarrass, offend and humiliate any foreigners hoping to attend, something they achieved perfectly in my case... |
And not only that, but another discriminatory thing that Koreans do0 that drives me nuts is when they pay 2.2/mnth to work 30hr/week, free accommodation, and airfare to 22 yr old college grads from the West who have no formal teaching experience or education and they turn around and pay 1.5/mnth to Korean teachers with degrees in English Ed with experience and make them work 40-50 hrs a week, having to also do peon jobs like cleaning the school, consulting with mothers on the phone, etc...
Oops wrong thread. Where's the 'the discrimination and stereotyping of the color of your skin is a double-edged sword that also equates to a big reason for your financial livelihood, so who gives a *beep* when the other side of that sword decides to charge you an extra 20,000 won to get into a club" thread? |
Look, I know what you are saying, but you said it too hard there. Now, for the difference between us and them. I could easily explain it by supply and demand, but even I hate that argument and when people use it. We need more money because we have no support base here.
Then you need to think of public schools, where foreign teachers make less, have less holidays and don't get bonuses (and universities are even worse, with heavily credentialed foreign workers). I am not complaining, they are well trained (for their country) and I knew what my contract said before I signed it. Same goes for the Korean teachers at hagwons.
None of this means people can't be put off by being overcharged simply because of their heritage. |
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charlieDD
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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CHRONICPRIDE WROTE: And not only that, but another discriminatory thing that Koreans do that drives me nuts is when they pay 2.2/mnth to work 30hr/week, free accommodation, and airfare to 22 yr old college grads from the West who have no formal teaching experience or education and they turn around and pay 1.5/mnth to Korean teachers with degrees in English Ed with experience and make them work 40-50 hrs a week, having to also do peon jobs like cleaning the school, consulting with mothers on the phone, etc...
<><><><> I Write:
Supply and demand. Market forces.
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: A first taste of Korean xenophobia... |
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chronicpride wrote: |
And not only that, but another discriminatory thing that Koreans do that drives me nuts is when they pay 2.2/mnth to work 30hr/week, free accommodation, and airfare to 22 yr old college grads from the West who have no formal teaching experience or education and they turn around and pay 1.5/mnth to Korean teachers with degrees in English Ed with experience and make them work 40-50 hrs a week, having to also do peon jobs like cleaning the school, consulting with mothers on the phone, etc...
Oops wrong thread. Where's the 'the discrimination and stereotyping of the color of your skin is a double-edged sword that also equates to a big reason for your financial livelihood, so who gives a *beep* when the other side of that sword decides to charge you an extra 20,000 won to get into a club" thread? |
The Koreans that supposedly over pay us are different individuals than those who bar our entry from nightclubs and practice price discrimination.
However, if you're wondering where that thread is, either look for it or start one of your own. |
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